uk police success against gun crime

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i simply fail to see the difference between geting shot and geting stabbed, the end result is the same, one is either injured or he is dead.
... and there are enough stabbings in the UK, that is for sure.
 
So in the states, when things shake up...we go out and buy bigger guns. When in England things shakes up...people upgrade from knives to swords.
 
Somehow, for some reason... I feel that tight gun control creates higher crime rates? It must be the city, state, national, and international statistics I look at every day that agree with me.

Congrats to counties such as New Zealand and the UK on ridding yourselves of gun crime. Now, just find a way to lower your high crime rates.
 
Firearm use in crime has doubled since their handgun ban.
no fatal shootings for 12 months
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This doesn't mean no shootings.
And England has lower levels of violence anyway, not just gun violence.
 
much like the states most of our gun crime is in cities and linked to drugs.
But it at such a low re killings and shootings two or 3 criminals locked up can have a major effect.
Thats why dunblane lead to the banning of handguns rightly or wrongly it added about 10% to the national gun death rate:(
the government has a nasty authoritarian streak at the moment only balanced by its incompetence all the many many cctv camera's are not actually watched by anyone and those that are are often to poor quality to use.
the ID card scheme will be binned as its unworkable
 
All law abiding gun owners want lower crime, but not at the expense of individual freedom. What's always best for society isn't what is always best for the individual.
 
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i simply fail to see the difference between geting shot and geting stabbed, the end result is the same, one is either injured or he is dead.
... and there are enough stabbings in the UK, that is for sure.
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Here's a proposal that originated in Britain several years back which is about as preposterous as any I can recall.

The research is published in the British Medical Journal.

The researchers said there was no reason for long pointed knives to be publicly available at all.

They consulted 10 top chefs from around the UK, and found such knives have little practical value in the kitchen.

None of the chefs felt such knives were essential, since the point of a short blade was just as useful when a sharp end was needed.
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You read correctly. A group of British doctors proposed banning kitchen knives and their "research" was published in the British Medical Journal. Remember the flap here when various physician groups were recommending asking patients about the availability of firearms in the home as a part of the office visit? Can you imagine being questioned about the availablity of Henckels or Global cutlery?

Here's the link. The truth is truly stranger than fiction.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4581871.stm
 
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Here in Britain the great and the good prefer to ban the item rather than punish the guilty. It's easier. The fact that it doesn't work is neither here nor there. The important thing is that the politicians can be seen to be doing 'something' and can concentrate on more important things - like their imaginative (some would say fraudulent) expenses claims.
 
Nice to see the law targeting actual criminals for a change. BTW... great article on knife violence in post 3. Honestly, I would much prefer to be shot to death than be stabbed to death. Death by gun is far more humane.
 
...the great and the good prefer to ban the item rather than punish the guilty. It's easier. The fact that it doesn't work is neither here nor there. The important thing is that the politicians can be seen to be doing 'something' and can concentrate on more important things - like their imaginative (some would say fraudulent) expenses claims.
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Your description is eerily familiar to my country's.:uhoh:
We're not supposed to judge these politicians on results of their decisions.:rolleyes:
They only want us to commend them on their intentions.:barf:
 
i simply fail to see the difference between geting shot and geting stabbed, the end result is the same, one is either injured or he is dead.
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The result may be the same but the process is different. Strength, agility, and speed play a greater role in a typical knife fight than a typical gun fight. By this, I mean a gun is easier to use for older, younger, smaller, slower, etc. than a knife. Since a criminal usually picks the victim, the criminal should normally have the edge. As the saying goes, "God made men, but Samuel Colt made them equal."
 
And England has lower levels of violence anyway, not just gun violence.
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Totally false. Felony assaults occur about twice as often as in the USA, when comparing per capita rates. The UK government reports convictions, while the US reports suspected incidents, thus the difference in "official" data. Surveys, on the other hand, indicate about twice as much violent crime.

Just as an example:

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Hey Ryan that is an interesting chart. Can you give me a link or reference to the source so I can read more about it and on it? Those are some really damning numbers against the gun control movement.
 
This is very short-term jubilation indeed. If indeed the crime was because of a specific organized crime element, AND that element has been removed, what does this mean? AN AREA OPEN FOR ANOTHER ORGANIZED CRIME ELEMENT TO MOVE INTO WITHOUT RESISTANCE.
 
Hey Ryan that is an interesting chart. Can you give me a link or reference to the source so I can read more about it and on it? Those are some really damning numbers against the gun control movement.
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I looked, but unfortunately, I can't find that exact thing again. I just had that picture floating around on my hard drive. BhmBill had some good links, though. Here's another excellent resource. http://www.gunfacts.info

Also, here's a somewhat outdated comparison between England and the USA, which I just found for the first time. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cjusew96.pdf

More recent data (last time I did a comparison was a couple years ago, using 2005 data, which is where I got the double the assaults figure) showed that the trends exhibited there continued. Crime in the USA has mainly dropped, while crime in the UK is on the rise.

Oh, also, even though Japan has a low overall violent crime rate, try this google search

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=japan+school+stabbing&aq=f&oq=

I've watched Japanophiles have brain meltdowns after doing that google search. More entertaining than any anime I've ever seen. ^_^ :p
 
I don't care if they ever DO eliminate every single gun, knife, posion, rock, and pointy stick from that island, my house will still be a safer place than any home in the UK, save for perhaps Buckingham Palace.
 
I remember the media was hounding the UK Police Chief or governing body about their misrepresentation and underestimating of statistics they release, the crime there is likely worse than they let on.
 
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