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UK - Recent LA Press Release

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Fosbery, Mar 5, 2007.

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  1. Fosbery

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    There's been a couple of topics here on recent shootings here in the UK. Thought you might be interested to read a press release by the Libertarian Alliance (a British, non-partisan libertarian think tank) in response to these events.

    Link: http://libertarianalliance.wordpress.com/2007/02/18/news-release-from-the-libertarian-alliance-2/

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  2. Lucky

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    Holy **** they best be careful, they're half a heartbeat away from violating anti-social laws, advocating crimes and disturbing the status quo like that.

    If they said those things in the house then I'd expect parliamentary privilege would protect them, but they don't have a seat, and if they did before they got the first sentence out the other parties would be pounding on their desks and making stupid noises - to drown them out.

    I seriously think that the Brits are a hair's breadth away from silencing dissenting politicians by force. As soon as they finish their anti-radical policies, you'll likely see that they don't just silence guys preaching radical Islam, but anyone preaching change in the UK.
     
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    I definitely support the LA on this matter, but I feel it is like peeing into the wind.
     
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    This guy is a nut job!
     
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    Oooh, I didn't read those bits! :what:
     
  6. Odd Job

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    Like Matt said, that won't get them very far.
     
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    Might get them to a sedition trial!
     
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    "Remember, remember the Fifth of November.......";)
     
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    Personally, I agree with them 100%. Even on those last bits you quoted. Why ban something that has no victim? Like gun ownership. Isn't that essentially why we all disagree with gun control, because you or I owning a gun hurts nobody?
     
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    Just like narcotics (which have no victims, just like alcohol and tobacco) laws should be repealed right? That would make our society much more productive if everyone was free to form an addiction to cocaine or marijuana, right? Not to mention the drug lords going to war against each other in our streets over the control of turf because they want an outlet to sell their products. Do you think repealing narcotics laws would help or hurt that situation?

    Laws are rules agreed upon by a society to enforce popular norms. There will always be those who do not agree (like speed limits... everyone speeds some times) but that does not mean we can abandon laws concerning these victimless crimes.
     
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    Sounds like there are still some voices of sanity in the asylum known as Great Britain.
     
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    Yea it's not like you've got anything guaranteeing the pursuit of happiness or anything. You've a subject of the state, and if you do not contribute to the productivity of the state there is something wrong with you, and the state will punish. That's pretty much what the founding fathers said, right?


    Dude that last shootout between Merk and Phizer was INSANE. Merk sent this hit squad with machine guns and they pulled up in front of Phizer headquarters and just shot the place to ****. Crazy stuff man! Crazy! Those mofos are out of control!

    Because it's not like those illegal drugs were sold by PHARMACISTS 100 years ago, and when they were made illegal THAT'S WHEN THEY STARTED FUNDING CRIME.
     
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    Sure. You seriously think that somebody who takes marijuana in the privacy of their own home, and hurts nobody, is a criminal who should be locked away? You think suicide should be illegal? Smoking? Guns? I mean...you could shoot yourself. Suppose society decides that for your own good you shouldn't be allowed to own guns, would that ok?

    Suppose you're driving along in your car and a carjacker rips the door open, points a gun at you and says "give me your car, you could have an accident", I'm sure we can all agree that this is wrong. Suppose instead that it's not one carjacker, but half a dozen carjackers, and they all take a vote on whether they should carjack you or not. Of course, they all vote yes, and demand your car. That's still wrong right? What if it's a hundred? A thousand? How many people have to agree on robbing you before it's ok?

    Now you're describing the current situation. That is not the situation with, say, alcohol, or tobacco, or any other legal product.
     
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    Why would anything change? Anyone that wants drugs can get them now, so how would it cause society to be less productive? An increase in productivity, if that's the goal, would come from having individuals out earning a living rather than housed at state expense for a crime that had no victim. If drug laws were repealed I certainly wouldn't worry about drug lords going to war, as they would soon be out of business. They would probably go into the bottled water market, as it has the highest profit potential.
     
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    The profit

    in drugs is there simply because the government outlawed them. Remember prohibition? As soon as the country went "dry" the gangsters began bootlegging booze in from Canada and Scotland and stills were set up using old car radiators as condensers and the lead leached out and poisoned thousands of people. Same deal with drugs, legalize them, tax them a bit, set safety standards for their production and distribution and voila no more criminal element in the drug trade, the Columbians will all go back to leading the donkey up to harvest the coffee and Juan Valdez will become a respected citizen again.
     
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    What's so crazy about wanting to legalize "victimless crimes"? As for people being free to form an addiction to cocaine or weed isn't that what freedom is about? Being free to make your own choices even or rather ESPECIALLY if they're self destructive? I for one do not need the government holding my hand and making sure i don't hurt myself. But maybe some of you would turn into raving drug fiends if drugs were legal.
     
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    I think they have gone more than a bit too far in the opposite direction, but it doesn't matter. In "free and democratic", England, they will probably all be rounded up and shot without trial as enemies of the Queen.

    Jim
     
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