UN wants control of the internet

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The last line of this article says it all.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/internet/11/14/tech.summit.reut/index.html

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- The United States is headed for a showdown with much of the rest of the world over control of the Internet but few expect a consensus to emerge from a U.N. summit in Tunisia this week.

The very notion of "Internet governance" may seem an oxymoron to the 875 million users of the global computer network, which has proven stubbornly resistant to the efforts of those who wish to rid it of pornography, "spam" e-mail and other objectionable material.

But the United States, which gave birth to the Internet, maintains control of the system that matches easy-to-remember domain names with numerical addresses that computers can understand.

That worries countries like Brazil and Iran, which have pushed to transfer control to the United Nations or some other international body.

Even the European Union, where much of the business community backs the current system, has taken swipes at the United States.

"We just say this needs to be addressed in a more cooperative way ... under public-policy principles," said one EU official who asked not to be identified.

The issue is expected to dominate the World Summit on the Information Society, which begins Wednesday in Tunis, Tunisia.

Part diplomatic summit, part trade fair, the summit was launched two years ago with a focus on bringing the Internet and other advanced communications to less developed parts of the world.

That remains a hot topic for many of the 17,000 diplomats, human-rights activists and technologists expected to attend.

High-tech heavyweights like Intel Corp. and Alcatel will send top executives to talk up their development programs.

Researchers from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology will unveil a $100 laptop computer that can be powered by a hand crank in areas without a reliable supply of electricity.

But progress can't come without legal reform, business groups say. Internet access in the developing world will always remain expensive as long as governments allow their telecommunications monopolies to discourage competition, said Allen Miller, a senior vice president at the Information Technology Association of America.

"For most of these countries that are complaining about it, it's their own regulation and lack of liberalization that's preventing backbone providers from coming in," he said.

Over the past two years tension between the haves and have-nots has shifted from the question of who has access to the Internet to who controls its plumbing.

Diplomats were to meet on Sunday for a final round of negotiations before the summit. They might agree to set up a forum to discuss issues like cyber-crime and spam, and countries might win more direct control over their own top-level domains, such as .nl for the Netherlands and .fr for France.

But the United States has said repeatedly it does not intend to cede control of the domain-name system to a bureaucratic body that could stifle innovation.

"No agreement is preferred to a bad agreement," U.S. Ambassador David Gross said at a recent public meeting.

Many experts say the Internet needs less government involvement, not more.

"When governments talk about imposing their public policies on the Internet, unfortunately they don't typically mean, 'Let's protect human rights, individual rights, let's guarantee the freedom of the Internet,'" said Milton Mueller, a professor at Syracuse University's School of Information Studies.

"They mean, 'Damn it, somebody using the Internet did something I don't like and let's find a way to stop it,'" he said.
 
But the United States, which gave birth to the Internet, maintains control of the system that matches easy-to-remember domain names with numerical addresses that computers can understand.
But the United States has said repeatedly it does not intend to cede control of the domain-name system to a bureaucratic body that could stifle innovation.

This raises some questions in my mind.....

The US .gov does not control all Domain Name System (DNS) servers.
They only maintain the root servers (13 of them).

Maybe I'm overlooking something, but I don't see what real power they get from this. It seems like a bunch of hype over nothing.
 
a number of western European nations have sued or criminally charged U.S. websites for providing services that are illegal in the European nation. (Nazi war memorabilia, etc.)

Historically, the european judges have not been smypathetic to the idea that its outside their jurisdiction.

I'm just as happy having my web servers answerable to the U.S. instead of to the U.N. Guess who I have more faith in to protect free speech?
 
I vote we tell them to perform an unlikely but obscene physical action, and then go start their own internet.

pax
 
I vote we tell them to perform an unlikely but obscene physical action, and then go start their own internet.

Actually...

That was pretty much the message sent to the UN by some CIS/IT students attending a certain college. Mailed from out of State, since someone had folks visiting from out of town...

Repectfully,

I.P.Anywhere.
 
One cannot run an efficient Feudal/Socialist society if you do not maintain close control of who has the printing presses/web sites.

Please note that NO definition was given for the term "efficient".

If the peasants/serfs/slaves get to much uncontrolled information they might get uppity and start thinking they can do what their "Betters" have been ordained to do.

There would be no "Class War" except that the "Rich" started it.
 
Standing Wolf said:
How long do you think this web site would last under European socialist control?
Exactly.

The United States started the Internet as a defense project called darpanet. Let the UN start their own. They can call it save-the-children-net or something.

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Western Europe is falling apart, they cannot even lie effectively anymore. First the article rambles on about how they want control because the DNS system is too important for just one nation to control. No wait a minute, they need control because there are developing nations that do not have access. In reality, it is all about the information.

At least China was content to simply firewall their nation. Western Europe, on the other hand, appears to want everything changed to suit them.
 
UN

Not surprising. The UN wants control of the world. They(whoever "they" are)
know that you don't vie for control of the world...or even a village....by announcing it or making it obvious. You get it by starting small and worming your way in an inch at a time. Freedom isn't cut back with a broadhead axe.
It's snipped away one piece at a time with fingernail clippers.
 
Hate to interrupt a good UN-bash, but I believe it is only certain UN countries that want to disrupt this US 'hegemony'. Didn't Mr Kofi 'What oil?' Annan recently say that the UN doesn't want control of the net?

Those countries could be referred to as the usual suspects, China and Iran amongst them. If the European countries are onboard with this it is probably to do with control of their own top-level domains as referred to in the article.

Other articles I've read quote British and Canadian 'experts' giving short shrift to the idea.
 
1911tuner...wow, what you describe sounds like the US Constitution & gun-control laws

Years back, the politicos were talking of the U.S. becoming an "information" country (that's how they justified NAFTA).

NOW, that our "leaders" have gutted middle-class and blue-collar jobs, exporting them to Mexico and goodness-knows where else, and having left the US with nothing more than "information", the UN wants to take control of "information", i.e., control the "information country"?

Not!!!

We need out of the United Nations! Arrest the whole lot of them. Interigate them all; locate and exterminate the spys; send home the honest ones. Shouldn't take a very large airplane...maybe a Cessna 172 will do. :neener:

Of course, I'm also not convinced that our own ploitical and corporate "leaders" are any more trustworthy.

Edited to add: Oh no, that won't work. I Cessna 172 could never make a trans-Atlantic flight! Pause...well, maybe that would work. :)

Doc2005
 
Iain said:
Hate to interrupt a good UN-bash, but I believe it is only certain UN countries that want to disrupt this US 'hegemony'. Didn't Mr Kofi 'What oil?' Annan recently say that the UN doesn't want control of the net?

Those countries could be referred to as the usual suspects, China and Iran amongst them. If the European countries are onboard with this it is probably to do with control of their own top-level domains as referred to in the article.

Other articles I've read quote British and Canadian 'experts' giving short shrift to the idea.

Agreed. I think this part of the article was most important:

Diplomats were to meet on Sunday for a final round of negotiations before the summit. They might agree to set up a forum to discuss issues like cyber-crime and spam, and countries might win more direct control over their own top-level domains, such as .nl for the Netherlands and .fr for France.

Countries do not want the US to have the capability to take their domains off the internet (as has happened with Libya in the past) or perhaps worse, taking their country-code control away and giving it to a pro-US entity (as has happened with Afghanistan). If the US concedes that, the rest of this will probably fade away. Three or four of the 13 top-level root DNS servers are physically located outside the US already, and China, Iran, and Saudi Arabia are already figuring out how to split off their chunk of the internet into Country-Area-Networks.
 
If I understand this right....one of the real threats is countries like Iran , china etc.. could steal copyrighted property-righted material. That they could "see" via their computers and special software.
Why cant people just leave stuff alone anymore. Free market spontaneous order......"is a good thing".

The UN controling the internet......it would be funny if it wasn't so damn scary. Who do they think they are???
 
The internet was created as a result of a project sponsored by the Defense Advanced Research Project Agency (I think I got that right, DARPA).

It was designed with providing the United States a network that would automatically re route communications in the event large sections were blown off as in a nuclear war.

We will never give up control of the Internet to anyone. Get your own.

Does anyone get the feeling that the UN stands around and trys to figure out ways to get into the pockets of the US all day long?? These are the most worthless people on the planet.
 
Coltdriver said:
Does anyone get the feeling that the UN stands around and trys to figure out ways to get into the pockets of the US all day long?? These are the most worthless people on the planet.

+1

A typical case of Parkinson's law: "Every bureaucracy strives to expand itself and its domain of influence."
 
Coltdriver said:
The internet was created as a result of a project sponsored by the Defense Advanced Research Project Agency (I think I got that right, DARPA).

It was designed with providing the United States a network that would automatically re route communications in the event large sections were blown off as in a nuclear war.

We will never give up control of the Internet to anyone. Get your own.

Does anyone get the feeling that the UN stands around and trys to figure out ways to get into the pockets of the US all day long?? These are the most worthless people on the planet.

That's a common misconception. DARPA wanted to cut down on the number of mainframes it was providing to every US university that wanted one.

Link here: http://www.isoc.org/internet/history/brief.shtml but it is anything but brief.
 
The UN, the same body that did such a stellar job of administering the "Oil for Food Program", now wants to administer The Internet?

Over my cold dead keyboard. They should take a flying forniciferous leap at a rolling pastry.:barf: :fire: :barf: :fire: [middle finger smilie here]
 
xd9fan said:
I would love to kick this group off of U.S. soil........then kick them off the planet.:fire:

you can kick at a velocity of 11 km/s ?

of course, if you can kick at 5.5 km/s and perform a perfect 'bounce,' that might be sufficient... but if the target mass is greater than the mass behind your leg's motion, you'll have to kick at a HIGHER speed to correct for that...
 
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