Under age handgun on property

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I'm 18 years old and in Ohio, If I were to use my dad's Beretta in self-defense on our property if my life was in danger, would I be charged with a crime because I'm not 21?

Just doesn't make any sense, I can blow away an intruder with my 12 gauge, but using a 9mm is a no no?
 
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I don't know the laws in Ohio- but using a weapon in self defense in your home and being the sole owner of it are two different things. If you used a weapon in self defense that belonged to your brother, I doubt they'd charge you with possession of a stolen weapon.

that being said, when in doubt, contact your local pistol licensing unit or District Attorney's office.
 
I know that here in Washington you can own a handgun under 18, as was before mentioned you need only keep it at your home, or your place of business.

This being said, If you have the patience to deal with gov't bureaucracy and the insane lengths of time it takes to receive your order, I suggest you requisition an ATF laws and regulations manual.

http://www.atf.gov/forms/dcof/

Although I disagree strongly with the premise of wheedling information from my government, especially that referencing protected constitutional materials, I have found that ordering one of every form on hand at their resources department has come in handy. Their are free books, with firearms laws for each state to be had, all one need do is request them.. And wait...... And wait......:)
 
In ohio, You are not allowed to have a handgun period unless you are 21 with very limited exceptions, unless you are under 21 supervision is my understanding. Does being at home count as "Supervision"?
 
In ohio, You are not allowed to have a handgun period unless you are 21 with very limited exceptions, unless you are under 21 supervision is my understanding. Does being at home count as "Supervision"?

What?

What prevents an 18yr old from purchasing a handgun FTF in Ohio?
I haven't been an Ohio resident for long, but I knew nothing about this...
 
Ohio has something in the ORC about improperly furnishing firearms to a minor, it seems as if you can legally possess a handgun at 18, but NOBODY is legally allowed to give it to you.
 
If my daughter who is 18 used one of my guns to protect her self in our home I don't believe any one would say one word about it. Except may be the BG kin and their crying about what a good boy he was . We know they always do that and how he was turning his life around
My 19 year old daughter has her own pistol I gave her. Her 18yr old sister and I will be looking after the New Year for her
 
A fellow at work asked me what the law is to own a gun.
His young daughter, who was living alone, had just been raped and threatened with death if she told.
I said, "Are you insane? Someone raped and threatened to kill your daughter and you are worried about the law???? Yes, she can legally own a gun and why didn't she already have one and know how to use it???".

Who cares what the law is. Are you going to follow some law that will get you killed?

If It'll Save a Single Child...
Repeal the Gun Law

Jessica Lynn Carpenter is 14 years old. She knows how to shoot; her father taught her. And there were adequate firearms to deal with the crisis that arose in the Carpenter home in Merced, Calif. - a San Joaquin Valley farming community 130 miles southeast of San Francisco - when 27 year old Jonathon David Bruce came calling on Wednesday morning, Aug. 23.
There was just one problem. Under the new "safe storage" laws being enacted in California and elsewhere, parents can be held criminally liable unless they lock up their guns when their children are home alone... so that's just what law-abibing parents John and Tephanie carpenter had done.
Some of Jessica's siblings - Anna, 13; Vanessa, 11: Ashley, 9; and John Williams, 7 - were still in their bedrooms when Bruce broke into the farmhouse shortly after 9 a.m
. Bruce, who was armed with a pitchfork - but to whom police remain unable to attribute any motive - had apparently cut the phone lines. So when he forced his way into the house and began stabbing the younger children in their beds, Jessica's attempts to dial 9-1-1 didn't do much good. Next, the sensible girl ran for where the family guns were stored. But they were locked up tight.
"When the 14-year-old girl ran to a nearby house to escape the pitchfork-wielding man attacking her siblings," writes Kimi Yoshinoshe of the Fresno Bee, "she didn't ask her neighbor to call 9-1-1. She begged him to grab his rifle and "take care of this guy."
He didn't. So Jessica ended up on the phone.
By the time Merced County sheriff's deputies arrived at the home, 7-year old John Williams and 9-year old Ashley Danielle were dead, murdered as they cowered under their blankets. Thirteen-year-old Anna was wounded but survived.
Once the deputies arrived, Bruce rushed them with his bloody pitchfork. So they shot him dead. They shot him more than a dozen times. With their guns.

Get it?

The following Friday, the children's great-uncle, the Rev. John Hilton, told reporters: "If only (Jessica) had a gun available to her, she could have stopped the whole thing. If she had been properly armed, she could have stopped him in his tracks." Maybe John Williams and Ashley would still be alive, Jessicia's uncle said.
"Unfortunately, 17 states now have these so-called safe storage laws," replied Yale Law School Senior Research Scholar John Lott - author of the book "More Guns, Less Crime." "The problem is, you see no decrease in either juvenile accidental gun deaths or suicides when such laws are enacted, but you do see an increase in crime rates."
Such laws are based on the notion that young children often "find daddy's gun" and accidentally shoot each other. But in fact only five American children under the age of 10 died of accidents involving handguns in 1997, Lott reports. "People get the impression that kids under 10 are killing each other. In fact this is very rare: three to four per year."
The typical shooter in an accidental child death is a male in his late teens or 20s, who, statistically, is probably a drug addict or an alcoholic and has already been charged with multiple crimes, Lott reports. These are the data that correlate. Are these the kind of people who are going to obey one more law?"
So why doesn't the national press report what happens when a "gun control" law costs the lives of innocent children in a place like Merced?
"In the school shooting in Pearl, Miss., " Dr. Lott replied, "the assistant principal had formerly carried a gun to school.
When the 1955 ("Gun-Free School Zones") law passed, he took to locking his gun in his car and parking it at least a quarter-mile away from the school, in order to obey the law. When that shooting incident started he ran to his car, unlocked it, got his gun, ran back, disarmed the shooter and held him on the ground for five minutes until the police arrived.
"There were more than 700 newspaper stories catalogued on that incident. Only 19 mentioned the assistant principal in any way, and only nine mentioned that he had a gun."
The press covers only the bad side of gun use, and only the potential benefits of "gun control" laws - never their costs. "Basically all the current federal proposals fall into this category - trigger locks, waiting periods," Lott said. "There's not one academic study that shows any reduction in crime from measures like these. But there are good studies that show the opposite. Even with short waiting periods, crime goes up. You have wemon being stalked, and they can't go quickly and get a gun due to the waiting periods, so they get assaulted or they get killed."
The United States has among the world's lowest "hot" burglary rates - burglaries committed while people are in the building - at 13 percent, compared to "gun free" Britain's rate, which is now up to 59 percent, Lott reports. "If you survey burglars, American burglars spend at least twice as long casing a joint before break in...The number one reason they give for taking so much time is: They're afraid of getting shot."
The way Jonathon David Mruce, of Merced, Calif., might once have been afraid of getting shot...before 17 states enacted laws requiring American parents to leave their kids disarmed while they're away from home, that is.
Orginally published in Las Vegas Review-Journal.
 
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What about this?



2923.21 Improperly furnishing firearms to minor.

(A) No person shall do any of the following: This means anyone, not just FFL's.

(1) Sell any firearm to a person who is under eighteen years of age;

(2) Subject to division (B) of this section, sell any handgun to a person who is under twenty-one years of age;

(3) Furnish any firearm to a person who is under eighteen years of age or, subject to division (B) of this section, furnish any handgun to a person who is under twenty-one years of age, except for lawful hunting, sporting, or educational purposes, including, but not limited to, instruction in firearms or handgun safety, care, handling, or marksmanship under the supervision or control of a responsible adult;

(4) Sell or furnish a firearm to a person who is eighteen years of age or older if the seller or furnisher knows, or has reason to know, that the person is purchasing or receiving the firearm for the purpose of selling the firearm in violation of division (A)(1) of this section to a person who is under eighteen years of age or for the purpose of furnishing the firearm in violation of division (A)(3) of this section to a person who is under eighteen years of age;

(5) Sell or furnish a handgun to a person who is twenty-one years of age or older if the seller or furnisher knows, or has reason to know, that the person is purchasing or receiving the handgun for the purpose of selling the handgun in violation of division (A)(2) of this section to a person who is under twenty-one years of age or for the purpose of furnishing the handgun in violation of division (A)(3) of this section to a person who is under twenty-one years of age;

(6) Purchase or attempt to purchase any firearm with the intent to sell the firearm in violation of division (A)(1) of this section to a person who is under eighteen years of age or with the intent to furnish the firearm in violation of division (A)(3) of this section to a person who is under eighteen years of age;

(7) Purchase or attempt to purchase any handgun with the intent to sell the handgun in violation of division (A)(2) of this section to a person who is under twenty-one years of age or with the intent to furnish the handgun in violation of division (A)(3) of this section to a person who is under twenty-one years of age.

(B) Divisions (A)(1) and (2) of this section do not apply to the sale or furnishing of a handgun to a person eighteen years of age or older and under twenty-one years of age if the person eighteen years of age or older and under twenty-one years of age is a law enforcement officer who is properly appointed or employed as a law enforcement officer and has received firearms training approved by the Ohio peace officer training council or equivalent firearms training. <--- Aka Not me

(C) Whoever violates this section is guilty of improperly furnishing firearms to a minor, a felony of the fifth degree.
 
I dont know the answer to your question but, I keep a loaded 357 in my dresser drawer at all times. My 19 and 17 yr. olds both know where it is and know how to use it. They know to protect themselves when we are out and I fully expect them to do so. I rather wind up in court than my kids wind up in the grave.
 
Im a VA resident and 19. Im a US Navy Master At Arms which is basically military police. I used to have a Walther P99 I recently sold but I would like to have a 1911 soon to keep in my apartment. I have an AR I put together and a Century FAL as well but neither would be too ideal for my apt. Anyone know the laws in VA? I know I cant buy one but would I be able to keep one in my apt? And also unloaded, not-concealed, and separated from ammo when transporting in my car?
 
This is where you get into the realm of the 'doctrine of competing harms.' Is it illegal? Sounds like it. Is getting killed worse than using the gun? Yep. Then is the harm of using the gun at 18 less than the harm you faced of attempted murder? I think so. That lowers the chances that you would be prosecuted. It's illegal to shoot & to kill people too but everyone who kills (or wounds) in self defense is not in prison. This must have happened sometime, see if a local defense att'y can give you some guidance as to what happened in those cases. I hope you wouldn't get prosecuted but 'the law is an ass' all too often.

Personally, I would take the risk of prosecution over the risk of death. Death can't be pardoned, reduced, appealed or overturned. That's a decision you will have to make for the next 3 years.
 
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Foxtrot427 said:
Im a VA resident and 19. Im a US Navy Master At Arms which is basically military police. I used to have a Walther P99 I recently sold but I would like to have a 1911 soon to keep in my apartment. I have an AR I put together and a Century FAL as well but neither would be too ideal for my apt. Anyone know the laws in VA? I know I cant buy one but would I be able to keep one in my apt? And also unloaded, not-concealed, and separated from ammo when transporting in my car?

You're fine. I bought my first handgun from a friend when I turned 18. In VA you only need to be 21 to buy a handgun from an FFL holder (dealer). Private sales, min age for handgun transfer or possession is 18. When transporting it in your car it has to be either in plain view (and can be loaded if you want) or it has to be unloaded, securely wrapped (cased).
 
My Dear, Sweet, Sainted Mother bought me my first pistol at 13. A Ruger Mark II .22. Never had a single problem, never an A/D or N/D.
35 years later a career in the military complete and now a career in a war zone as a contractor going strong, I gotta wonder what prompted her to do that?
Might have been the .44 in her purse,..but who's to say???
 
You're fine. I bought my first handgun from a friend when I turned 18. In VA you only need to be 21 to buy a handgun from an FFL holder (dealer). Private sales, min age for handgun transfer or possession is 18. When transporting it in your car it has to be either in plain view (and can be loaded if you want) or it has to be unloaded, securely wrapped (cased).

Thanks a bunch. I've been wondering about that for a long time now. I may have to get that 1911 sooner than later. Is there a website or anything where I can go see that in writing. I know a few other people who would be glad to hear that!
 
Thanks a bunch. I've been wondering about that for a long time now. I may have to get that 1911 sooner than later. Is there a website or anything where I can go see that in writing. I know a few other people who would be glad to hear that!

Sure thing. First, here's the applicable federal law from the ATF website:

http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/i/atf-i-5300-2.pdf

And the applicable VA laws:

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-309
("Minor" is defined as someone under age 18)

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-308.7

:)
 
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