Unintended Consequences?
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BTR,
I was also shocked that he included comments about the JFK assassination without trying to be accurate. It did fit a couple of guys sitting around and BSing but to continue urban legend silliness was uncalled for.
I was also shocked that he included comments about the JFK assassination without trying to be accurate. It did fit a couple of guys sitting around and BSing but to continue urban legend silliness was uncalled for.
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I have a copy. Tried to finish it but it was just too discriptive for me. I just lost interest and patience.
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Howdy Shooter! Can you tell me how the heck you find out if someone is responding to you on a THR thread? How do you find old threads you replied to a while ago? Where in the devil is the "My Comments" button???
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Howdy Shooter! Can you tell me how the heck you find out if someone is responding to you on a THR thread? How do you find old threads you replied to a while ago? Where in the devil is the "My Comments" button???
Matt/Travis
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Travis, thanks for the response to my first post in this thread, but you may want to read it again. It was written with tongue firmly planted in cheek. 
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Actually I caught the tongue in cheek (" Ihighlighted the sexy parts to be able to avoid them"). But you raised the issue of one of the knocks against UC, that the raunchy sex turned off a major chunk of its most likely potential target audience, namely conservatives of a somewhat family-values bent.
In Enemies Foreign And Domestic I also have the goal of penetrating beyond that limited market which wants to re-re-re-read the entire history of the gun culture in the 20th century. This extra 300 pages of gun history was another short coming of UC, at least in having it read beyond that relatively small market of hard core shooters who also enjoy hard core sex in their novels. A 300 page history of the gun culture is a wonderful thing and deserves its own book, just not in the middle of a novel.
There is little to be gained in the RKBA debate by writing a book which will have zero appeal beyond "the choir", so I am just calling a Colt .45 a Colt .45, and I am not giving the life and times of John Moses Browing, the Moro wars in the Philippines and the inadequate .38, Jeff Cooper as a young man, and on and on until the adoption of the Berretta 9mm. I am just calling a .45 a .45 and moving on with the plot. It's an RKBA tale to be sure, but told more in the style of Stephen Hunter than Ross or Clancy.
Give it a look, the first half is posted in the EnemiesForeignAndDomestic website.
Actually I caught the tongue in cheek (" Ihighlighted the sexy parts to be able to avoid them"). But you raised the issue of one of the knocks against UC, that the raunchy sex turned off a major chunk of its most likely potential target audience, namely conservatives of a somewhat family-values bent.
In Enemies Foreign And Domestic I also have the goal of penetrating beyond that limited market which wants to re-re-re-read the entire history of the gun culture in the 20th century. This extra 300 pages of gun history was another short coming of UC, at least in having it read beyond that relatively small market of hard core shooters who also enjoy hard core sex in their novels. A 300 page history of the gun culture is a wonderful thing and deserves its own book, just not in the middle of a novel.
There is little to be gained in the RKBA debate by writing a book which will have zero appeal beyond "the choir", so I am just calling a Colt .45 a Colt .45, and I am not giving the life and times of John Moses Browing, the Moro wars in the Philippines and the inadequate .38, Jeff Cooper as a young man, and on and on until the adoption of the Berretta 9mm. I am just calling a .45 a .45 and moving on with the plot. It's an RKBA tale to be sure, but told more in the style of Stephen Hunter than Ross or Clancy.
Give it a look, the first half is posted in the EnemiesForeignAndDomestic website.
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Travis, those are some pretty big shoes there, fella. I'll have to check out the book. No gratuitous sex?
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There's non-raunchy sex in Enemies Foreign And Domestic, but it's between the hero and heroine after a lot of build up.
It's not three-way sex in the target room during a shooting match between folks who just met, like it was in UC.
Think Casablanca, not Deep Throat.
There's non-raunchy sex in Enemies Foreign And Domestic, but it's between the hero and heroine after a lot of build up.
It's not three-way sex in the target room during a shooting match between folks who just met, like it was in UC.
Think Casablanca, not Deep Throat.
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I've recommended UC to non-gun folks with "The first half is a reasonably accurate portrayal of gun-control activities. And, SFAIK, the alleged motivations for gun-control laws jibe with what I've read elsewhere."
In a tad over four years of reading what folks here and at TFL know or don't know about gun-control laws, I see that first half of UC as a reasonably good one-source reference. Sure, there's better stuff, but not all in one place. The thing is, you can find some reference in UC and then go Googling for the "real" story.
Art
In a tad over four years of reading what folks here and at TFL know or don't know about gun-control laws, I see that first half of UC as a reasonably good one-source reference. Sure, there's better stuff, but not all in one place. The thing is, you can find some reference in UC and then go Googling for the "real" story.
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There are facts that are undisputable iin the JFK assassination without bringing up any controversy.
I was shocked that a gun person such as Ross would claim something that was easily refuted.
I have never watched anything on TV or the movies about the assassination.
There are facts that are undisputable iin the JFK assassination without bringing up any controversy.
I was shocked that a gun person such as Ross would claim something that was easily refuted.
I have never watched anything on TV or the movies about the assassination.
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Travis,
I did a search on my name and set it up to reveal posts and not threads. I'm new here and I'm still having trouble.
I can't even save my login. I haven't logged into FR for years now. In case you miss this, I'll ping you on FR. George
I did a search on my name and set it up to reveal posts and not threads. I'm new here and I'm still having trouble.
I can't even save my login. I haven't logged into FR for years now. In case you miss this, I'll ping you on FR. George
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I'm still trying to get the hang of this place too. I used to lurk on TFL, and I used if for some firearms related research, but posting and replying on this style of forum seems very unwieldy, at least compared to FR.
I'm still trying to get the hang of this place too. I used to lurk on TFL, and I used if for some firearms related research, but posting and replying on this style of forum seems very unwieldy, at least compared to FR.
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Borrowed the book from biere (thanks!), and despite the fact that it contains some completely unnecessary sex scenes and is quite a bit too long, it's a must-read for anyone in the "gun culture." The history alone qualifies it for must-read status, IMHO. If you haven't read it, by all means get your hands on a copy and give it a look. It'll be time well spent.
shoot straight,
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shoot straight,
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For those who think a NOVEL should be great literature to be enjoyed, I read a great quote today. " I don't read Faulker, a novel should be enjoyed, not have to be studied."
No, I'm not saying where it came from because it was NOT in "great literature" just a cheap series novel.
No, I'm not saying where it came from because it was NOT in "great literature" just a cheap series novel.
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I don't know where "Enemies Foreign And Domestic" is going to fall out, at the literature end or the cheap series side, but I think it's going to be the best damn gun thriller since Hunter's "Point of Impact", and the most significant RKBA book since UC.
But I may be predjudiced, since it's my baby.
I don't know where "Enemies Foreign And Domestic" is going to fall out, at the literature end or the cheap series side, but I think it's going to be the best damn gun thriller since Hunter's "Point of Impact", and the most significant RKBA book since UC.
But I may be predjudiced, since it's my baby.
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I've heard that about the book somewhere?!! Just can't remember who brought it up? I will read your book. Thought I should add, I'm one of those people that love almost all firearms/2nd Amendment reads. I liked "Death by Gun Control" and "The State vs The People", typos. and all.
I will read your book. Thought I should add, I'm one of those people that love almost all firearms/2nd Amendment reads. I liked "Death by Gun Control" and "The State vs The People", typos. and all.Travis McGee
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Hopefully I won't have too many typos! I have a group of about a half dozen freepers who read and check and critique each new chapter as I put them into MS Word.
The etire book exists on 850 sides of looseleaf in 4 X 3" binders; I have put 32 chapters into Word and have about 20 more to go.
The first half of the book is posted on the website, so even if folks don't want to buy it (fine by me) they will be exposed to the issues and dangers raised.
The etire book exists on 850 sides of looseleaf in 4 X 3" binders; I have put 32 chapters into Word and have about 20 more to go.
The first half of the book is posted on the website, so even if folks don't want to buy it (fine by me) they will be exposed to the issues and dangers raised.
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