Universal Clays vs Hogdon Clays

[Walkalong]

You can look at several burn rate charts and see the fastest ones rated a little different. But they are all fast. I prefer titegroup because several other shooters I know use it and having a "powder support group" is good for bouncing info back and forth. No horror stories with it.
Clays I have heard alot about both good and bad. One powder I have heard nothing but bad things is 700x. Too many other good powders to choose from.

True, they are all fast, and normal care should be taken.

I actually like 700X, even though it doesn't meter great, and am not a fan of Titegroup, because of the tiny charges, but we all have our preferences. Lots of Titegroup fans and 700X detractors.


I have found Universal to be very clean to extremely clean in any reasonable application. It's good stuff. Good enough I bought a 4 pounder. Clays is very clean, but very fast, which limits it, but no more than other very fast powders.

 

[oneounceload]

Now, if you guys would stop scarfing all my shotgun powders so I can reload my 12 and 20s, I'd appreciate it!.....

 

[Walkalong]

I bought my 5 pounder of 700X years ago.

 

[Pilot]

I've been using Hogdgon Clays for about 20 years for .45 ACP. I use it for light to medium loads for 200 LSWC or plated SWC rounds for target shooting. It works great, and is pretty clean. I have never had problems with it, and am fine with the min/max load range.

I use Titegroup for HP-38/W231 for 9MM.

 

[Dudedog]

As a side note, since I could not find any Universal I have been using IMR7625 which seems ok and is available.

 

[billybob44]

Both of you are right, as far as your charts go..

My statement for fastest powder was based on info from http://www.reloadbench.com/burn.html an reloadersnest...

Yep, you are right on your chart. So is Arch on his chart..Who is correct?? Don't know--I DO know that your chart is older+shows a lot of powders that are no longer in production??

The question is do you use old data, or current data??..Bill.

 

[Walkalong]

Powder burn rates on charts are all relevant. Powder A may be faster in caliber #1, while powder B is faster in caliber #2. They can move up and down the chart a little depending on the application. They use a "closed bomb" test to determine burn rates for the charts, and even then they do not all agree 100%, but in actual use the bullet weight, the pressure the caliber is operating at, and the resulting pressure curve all make a big difference.

 

[billybob44]

Powder burn rates on charts are all relevant. Powder A may be faster in caliber #1, while powder B is faster in caliber #2. They can move up and down the chart a little depending on the application. They use a "closed bomb" test to determine burn rates for the charts, and even then they do not all agree 100%, but in actual use the bullet weight, the pressure the caliber is operating at, and the resulting pressure curve all make a big difference.

Thanks Walkalong. That does make sense. I usually load right in the middle of the average of several load data listings.
I can do what I need without the Max charges, for the most part..Bill.

 

[sexybeast]

I bought my 5 pounder of 700X years ago.
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Ha, sounds like my 8lbs of Red Dot I have had for years. Meters bad, real dirty, and not that cheap anymore. Won't miss it when its gone and I won't buy it again.