Universal Concealed Carry Permit

[Outlaw Man]

If we were to tell Congress that we're giving them the authority to legislate in regards to firearms, do you think that they'll play nice? The Constitution doesn't grant them that power, and look how much they've already done. I shudder to think what they'd do if they had the whole country say it's ok.

 

[AlbertH]

Universal Concealed Carry Permit


Amendment II


"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Article 1 section 7 of the U S CONSTITUTION,

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such
Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the
States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the
Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

sorry but since it it is part of the original constitution, it sets how a militia shall be set up or should the state choose to set the rules, the constitution allows it.

Regardless of what you may feel, the US CONSTITUTION is more than just the 2nd amendment... Even though many say that the second amendment is the constitution, with out the rest, THERE IS NO UNITED STATES OF AMERICA but instead nothing more than a lawless land.

 

[ZeSpectre]

There was a time when the careless and irresponsible served as an example to others...frequently by way of headlines and often posthumously.

I'm willing to let that be my "required test for carry".

 

[MErl]

I voted for the third option but would prefer to see the fingerprint part be dropped from all the options. It isn't needed and just gets tossed into the database in case your print comes up at a crime.

Live fire should be a part of the requirement. It may be the only time people carrying the gun ever fire one...

The other half of going through a check like this would be carry anywhere unless there are hardened entrances with security.

 

[ASCTLC]

The problem with considering such questions is they tend to overlook how the details of the laws expand in very undesireable ways. These laws tend to be abused by those who simply don't agree with the people's wishes.

The "standard" may start out innocent enough with a background check and a little training, but when the next shooting occurs, they'll add finger printing, then they'll add annual mental psych evals, then they'll simply suspend the right while they "review their current policies"...

At least at the state level, as pointed out by others, we can move when necessary. The fewer people we designate to manage something for us the more tempted those same few think we're asking them to think for us.

Andy

 

[Deanimator]

We should be pushing back against the other side, HARD.

Demand nationwide Constitutional carry, and MAYBE compromise on national reciprocity.

Let the other side argue that women are too "hysterical" to know when they're being "legitimately" raped, or to carry firearms.

 

[AlbertH]

Finger printing other than DNA printing, and in some cases dental records is the only way to permanently identify a person. With today's technology and printers, any image on any license, passport, or for that matter any official document can be altered, fabricated, and even stolen.. Identity theft is one thing that will change your attitude, when it comes to your personal rights to unfettered freedom, should you ever have it happen to you.

So you want a concealed weapons permit, you know that you are a fine upstanding citizen who has never been in trouble with the law, you fill out the application, give it to your police, they do a criminal background check and lo and behold you are listed as a wanted fugitive because someone stole your identity. What do you do. Your fingerprints have never been provided to the FBI so how do you prove that the wanted fugitive is not YOU?

I know first hand about identity theft, and although my case wasn't this serious, my identity was stolen, and it pretty much took an act of god to get it resolved.

Al

 

[buck460XVR]

I already need a license to CWC in my state........not a big deal and I do not feel infringed. No different than the license I need to drive a car. But like my drivers license, I feel CWC permits/licenses should continue to be issued by the state, by methods they deem necessary, but automatically recognized by all other states.


so..........I did not vote.

 

[joecil]

I got my first CCW permit in Florida when they first started it in the early 80's there. In my case it was simply issued by the Sheriff's office by asking for it with a need. Now I moved to Lexington from Florida and actually forgot about it and when I decided I was going to stay, I applied however my Florida license had expired 7 months prior so I had to take the class, live fire, background check and got the Kentucky CCDW within about 4 weeks. I have never taken a finger print for a CCW permit but then I've had my finger prints taken a couple of times since I have had several FBI background checks for various jobs in the past. So for me though I knew all of the gun related parts required however the laws of Kentucky I didn't so the class was worth the 8 hours it took to get through it. My wife who had never had a CCW got hers pretty much the same way as I did here in Kentucky about 6 months after I did.

 

[CoRoMo]

What would you be comfortable with for the "minimum" requirements...

The Arizona, Alaska, and Vermont models look good as far as 'minimum requirements'. Wyoming's model is a little too restrictive in my opinion.

...states wont honor others states permits if the state that issues it has less requirements than they do.

The problem is not fixed by increasing requirements in all states so that the least free states are more comfortable with the most free states. The problem is solved by fighting each state's restrictions down to Constitutional carry.

 

[rodinal220]

The problem with the whole CCW permit/license systems is that they are being treated as a drivers license and not an individual liberty.Look what Colorado is doing,they are going to take away carrying on Colleges and Universities.
Current thinking is to come up with a CCW Compact between the states just like many,but not all belong to the DL Compact .

Careful what you wish for.

 

[45crittergitter]

How about instead of a government permission slip, a federal constitution with a written guarantee of our rights which no government may violate?

 

[sleepyone]

I'm with those who say the 2nd Amendment already covers UCC. "The right to keep (on my person, in my house, in my car, etc..) and bear arms shall not be infringed" by any local, state, federal or international government.

 

[c4v3man]

All you need to carry should be proof of citizenship, just like what voting should require.

 

[AK103K]

Whats scary here is, this is a "gun board", and there are actually votes in the first three categories.

 

[Kevin Rohrer]

Any "law" that restrict a Constitutional right is an unjust law. And a law that give one an ability that already exists thru the Constitution is asinine.