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Universal decapping dies

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by TheDomFather, Oct 9, 2017.

  1. TheDomFather

    TheDomFather Member

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    So on my last case yesterday I broke the decapping pin on my Lee die, while i like this die, I had to tighten the collet down so tight to get it to keep the pin from slipping (especially to knock out crimped primers) that it simply will not come undone. I tossed the die in the trash after I mangled it up trying to get the pin out and replace it and ordered a RCBS universal decapping die as well as one of these dies from a new company called mighty armory.

    Anyone have any experience with these two or any suggestions?

    https://mightyarmory.com/products/universal-de-priming-die-lr
     
  2. someguy2800

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    That sure seams awfully expensive for a decapping die. I have a Redding one that I've deprimed thousands of cases with including crimped primers and no issues. The RCBS one you ordered looks fine as well.
     
  3. otisrush

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    I can't comment on either of those dies - but I'm right there with you re the Lee. I bought it based on the fact that seems to be the defacto standard (it's what gets mentioned) when people talk about their wet tumbling setups. I'm a die-hard RCBS fan. I should have gone that route.

    I, too, had to tighten the collet on the Lee die so tight it 1/ makes the pin breakaway feature virtually useless and 2/ getting it loosened after I actually did break the pin was a royal pain.
     
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  5. Load Master

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    10's of thousands of crimped primers removed from 5.56 Nato cases and 2.23 Rem and I'm still using my original Lee Universal Decapping Die. No, it doesn't have the original pin. It gets replaced once damaged enough, normally a Berdan primer, with a free pin from Lee Precision.

    I guess if you feel a $70 decapper die is the answer to your problems than by all means go for it. For me, I'll stick with free, it works for me.
     
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  6. Blue68f100

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    I have the RCBS and Hornady Universal depriming dies. The RCBS has a spring loaded pin, to know the primers free on those that stick. The only problem with it is the spring they use is junk, not the right spring for the application. After a few run in's with crimped and sealed primers will cause the spring to take a set. The fix is to use cut down spring from your AR. There are a couple the right dia just need to cut to length. Once I did this it has been problem free for 1000's of uses. RCBS did send me a few replacement the first time the spring gave out and caused the pin to get bent. Same junk spring as the original. The one I have will not do 223's so I have Hornady's for them, not spring loaded.
     
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  7. FROGO207

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    I have found that if you take some 100-120 grit sand paper and rough up the stem of the Lee decapping die you do not have to screw the collet in as tight.
    It will still move for you but it does come apart much easier if it is needed. Also I did purchase a couple spare decapping pin/rod assemblies for my universal decapper die but have yet to break my first one in over 15 years that I have used that die. If I do break it I will send it back to Lee and they will replace it for free like they have for the two worn out ones I sent them already.
     
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    I have to put mine in a bench vise and use an impact wrench to get the collet free
     
  9. ArchAngelCD

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    First, if you had to tighten the collect on the Lee decapping die pin so much you could not loosen it you should not have tried to decap that brass with a die. You should have used the tool specifically designed to remove hard to remove crimped primers. Lee makes two sized and both costs only $8.99 each or less elsewhere.
    https://www.midwayusa.com/s?userSearchQuery=Lee+decapoer&userItemsPerPage=48

    Secondly, instead of throwing the Lee die away you could have sent it to Lee and they would have made it right. I'm also a huge fan of RCBS reloading equipment but sometimes the less expensive Lee tool will do the job well too.
     
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  10. Toprudder

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    I've probably decapped 30k with my Lee universal decapping die, still with the original pin (though I did buy a spare).

    Though I did not have the problem with the pin slipping, or having to tighten it extremely tight, I did have that problem with a Lee sizing die once. I came to the conclusion that the internal threads were not tapped deep enough, so I found the appropriate tap and tapped it deeper. Seems to have helped.
     
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    I picked up an extra Lee decapping pin plus a replacement to the original when I had a similar problem years ago. No real problems since but I use it only occasionally since I know it won't do everything. Some cases must be handled differently.
     
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    I have 2 Lee universal decappers, and they are my go to for decapping dies for the last 60k+ cases.

    Talked with the owner Wayne in pretty good detail about this die. Heres the upsides to it. Pin not made from chinesium and are strong. Will handle off center flash holes as the pin can move slightly. Can use smaller diameter decapping pins to punch out primer in cases with very small flash holes.

    As I decap in very large lots, 3-5K cases at a crack, and dealing with the Lee Die can sometimes be a headache, especially with a few off center flash holes slowing everything down.

    Edit: Will I buy one? Yes, I have a big run end of the month for decapping planned and Im running low on pins for my Lee dies. So I think Im going to invest the $$ and pick on these up.
     
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  14. thomas15

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    I find it very odd that those that want to own high quality tools that have a price tag that goes along with the quality constantly have to defend their desire to own such things. The truth is, if you generally run approx. 50 rounds of handloads at a time you can put up with tools that work but have their quirks. That all changes when the production lot is several thousand rounds. For some of us part of the joy of handloading is making a large quantity and using well made, heavy duty tools.

    On the subject of universal decapping dies I purchased one because everyone on this and other forums gush on and on about how useful they are. I even added a C-press to the bench as a dedicated decapping station. In the 4 years I have had this arrangement I have used it to decap about 100 pcs of the roughly 30K handloads that have passed through my bench. Unless you wet tumble brass, use a lot of crimped military brass or have a priming issue with your press there really isn't a need for this thing at all.

    When I was a kid we spent umpeen hours punching out primers from military crimped 30-06 brass, one at a time, using a pin and a hammer. Still have this device, a banged up pin and a metal case holding fixture, mounted to a piece of real 2x4 lumber. Doing it that way sucked back then and still sucks today. Inexpensive and it works but nothing you would want to do if you had a pile of 5000 pcs of brass to decap. Once the primer was out we then used a Lyman handheld crimp remover tool. Doing that operation sucked also. This is the reason I use a motorized Case-Mate.
     
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    Why do you find it odd? I find that the combination of money & value is relative. I love handloading however, I have very little spare time for it. So I want what works and is easy. If that comes at a low cost then its high value for me however, if the low cost item is always a problem and it breaks down, I have to spend time tweaking it then it is very low value for me! I will spend more for a better product that breaks down less and works better any day of the week.

    I universal decap every case that gets reloaded. I wet tumble as it cleans my cases inside and out including primer pockets which is why I use a universal decap die to begin with. It is part of my process. If you dont wet tumble or care about dirty primer pockets then you dont need it.
     
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    In a sense, you have just made my point for me.
     
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    i have been using the frankford handheld decapper/deprimer works great for me on all cases crimped or not , never a broken part yet plus it keep my presses looking new no primer dust on press , does workout the hand a bit sometimes I use both hands but works great, never understood or had issues decapping military crimp brass, sometimes one feel one to hard to decapp and I check with a light and its berdan primed , but if a mess up a decaper pin on a berdan case thats on me , the frankford tool is like $40 or so been using it now for 3 years
     
  18. Nature Boy

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    I don’t use my lee universal decapping die to decap.

    I put it in station #1 on my Dillon 650 to make sure any corn cob stuck in the flash hole gets knocked out when loading in progressive mode.

    I think I got that idea from a member here
     
  19. jmorris

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    If you tighten the collet so tight its grip is stronger than the pin, it's going to break before it can move, to keep from being broken.

    That said the Universal decap die uses the same decapping pin as all of their pistol dies and they will send new ones out for free, if you email them a photo of a broken one.

    The Dillon dies are fairly easy to replace broken pins on too as well as remove stuck cases.

    The RCBS dies are collet style to hold the pin in, I have had them pull out if a case has too small diameter flash holes. They are pretty easy to change too once you thread them out though.
     
  20. fotheringill

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    I have, and use, the RCBS. No problems at all.
     
  21. TheDomFather

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    RBS die showed up last night, I will put it to the test today!
     
  22. AABEN

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    I do NOT like the universal be caws then you need to size your brass later! I use the one for the brass I am decapping lot less work.
     
  23. Paladin7

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    Sorry to hear about your problems with the Lee Universal Decapping Die. I run the Lee die and had a lot of issues with broken decapping rods when I used the die on an RCBS Piggyback Press. Evidently, the problems were caused by flex in the press. Once I put it on my single stage Rock Chucker Supreme press all the problems with broken pins went away and I've decapped thousands of rounds with it since then without any problems. You should check to ensure your press is solidly mounted to your bench and there is no flex in the system. Then you should have good luck with whatever decapping die you choose... Hope this helps.
     
  24. otisrush

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    Please report back on how you like the RCBS. I'm especially interested to hear a report on the RCBS die from someone who has used the Lee die.

    I continue to dislike this Lee die to the point I might get the RCBS.

    Thanks.
     
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  25. TheDomFather

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    I should have both the RCBS and the Mighty Armory decapping dies up and running this weekend. I will make a youtube video and post it.
    Dom
     
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