University revoking 2nd amendment rights off campus

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Colleges with this type of rule are currently under stress and challenge because it disarms students/citizens and makes them unable to protect themselves. The rules works beautifully, as long as no criminal ever attacks one of the students on or off campus. However, in real life (not a gun-free fantasy zone), bad guys DO attack innocent citizens, and guns are a modern and efficient way to protect life and limb. In recent history, students have been sheep for the slaughter by armed homicidal maniacs, and college campuses that have been the victims of such are seriously thinking about reversing the status quo, and allowing qualified sudents, profs, etc, to have CCW's. This will be in direct contrast to the campus in question here, so it will be interesting to see how it goes. Should a student in or near (living off campus) to this gun restrictive midwestern college advise the college admin that they have been threatened by serious death threats, and would the college rather supply an armed protection detail to protect him (her), or let the student be armed, would make a good challenge to the rule.
 
Off by quite a bit, aren't we? Didn't you say you were a teacher

Not really. I was just presenting a large but wholly arbitrary number as opposed to giving a history lesson. Besides, depending on your belief system, 5000 years in and of itself might be considered wrong on the high side. If your just trying to discredit my statement by picking away at an arbitrary number, just say so and be done with it. If you would prefer that I point out that the earliest human remains date back to somewhere around 70,000 years ago, I can do and just did that.

The school is NOT doing 'the exact same thing.' Notice that the friend of the OP was not on school property. They were not at a school function. They were completely away from the school when they held the gun.

Indeed I did notice that, hence the validity of my example. Depending on what your role at a school is, virtually all schools have policies that dictate to one degree or another what a student may or may not do off campus. No doubt that this is a bad policy, but in principle it is no different that NCAA policies that dictate the lives of student athletes. In this case, they are saying you can't have weapons or firecrackers as opposed to saying that you can't accept a car from the boosters, but the policies are both the same in that they dictate how a student represents a school off campus.

This is not about keeping their campus and students 'safer'. It is about controlling every aspect of their student's lives.

I think one thing that gets lost in this argument as it pertains to me is that you all may think I don't agree with this statement. I do, but where I veer off is that I don't see any particular injustice in it. If this student doesn't want his life controlled in this particular fashion, don't go to that particular school. According to Google, there are 4,140 2 and 4-year universities in this country. Surely this student can find one that suits his needs. The key word here is "private". If this was a public school, I assure you that my opinion would be drastically different.

Do you tell your Mormon friends that they cannot be your friend since they are Mormons? Or is ok for them to carry out their normal life and normal rights as long as it is not in your house?

Other than here on THR, I don't specifically have any Mormon friends so I don't know that I can answer that question other than to say that if constant, nagging discussions about the church were at the core of our conversations, then no, a Mormon (or a Catholic, or a Baptist, or an Athiest) could not be my friend. Further, it is not any more acceptable to be accosted about religion while I am walking down the street than it is at my house. In other words, my Mormon house policy extends to every aspect of my life whether on my property or not.

Also, I don't specifically have anything against Mormons, they just tend to be a handy example since I don't enjoy talking about religion in the least and I don't have a whole lot of Presbyterians knocking on my door.
 
If your just trying to discredit my statement by picking away at an arbitrary number, just say so and be done with it. If you would prefer that I point out that the earliest human remains date back to somewhere around 70,000 years ago, I can do and just did that.

Sorry. It's just that earlier in the thread you asserted that most teachers don't let their personal beliefs influence what they teach; so when you used 5,000 years, it seemed to contradict your assertion, what with 5,000 years being more of a religious belief than a scientific one...

And yes, I realize this is waaay off topic and won't comment on it again.
 
I am not an expert in such things, but history only goes back about 5000 years. Maybe 6000. Before that is prehistory (because there is no written record.)
 
Let's face it, rule or no rule, there is precious little they can do about your off campus behavior, especially if that behavior is lawful. I mean, they aren't going to send spies after you as you go to the range or squirrel hunting.

Like a lot of rules, they want have something in their back pocket. In this case, let's say this university either wins or loses the NCAA Basketball tournament. Somebody decides to celebrate the win (or bemoan the loss) by shooting off their gun. Don't think it happens? Poke you head out the window at midnight on January 1!!! That person gets arrested...as they probably should if they are in town. The university would like to get rid of such a person and need a rule with which to do it. Sorry Charlie, no guns, even off campus...bye bye. Beyond that...

Universities are a bunch of liberal ivory tower academics who don't know squat about firearms. Live off campus, keep your gun in a safe a lawful manner and that will be that.

So no, they cannot deprive you of your 2nd Amendment right because they cannot take your gun away pure and simple. Maybe...and I do mean maybe...they can disipline you within the University's judicial reach...but under most circumstances, they won't.
 
Let's face it, rule or no rule, there is precious little they can do about your off campus behavior, especially if that behavior is lawful. I mean, they aren't going to send spies after you as you go to the range or squirrel hunting.

Ream the OP's posts. He stated earlier that they are taking his friend's scholarship away. I would say that is a little more than 'precious little..."

-Jim
 
It's very different because that kind of thing was included in the Civil Rights Act and firearm owners were not.

Racial bias or discrimination, whether it's Constitutional or not, is in the Civil Rights Act.

If gun owners were considered a "protected class" your argument would work, but they are not included in that group protected by

But the Civil Rights Act is an amendment of the Constitution, just like the 1st and 2nd Amendments. Why would ONE amendment carry weight but two other ones one would not?

Answer? Because the 2nd Amendment is not yet incorporated, so in theory it only binds the Federal Government. But the 1st amendment is.

The University can have you sign a pledge to promise not to badmouth the President of the USA, but it wouldn't be worth the paper it was written on. Same thing with a promise to not associate with certain classes of people (gun owners)

Now, the university could 'backdoor' SOME kinds of restrictions based on 'disturbing the peace' (i.e. not care about the kid with the bullhorn decrying animal testing but selectively choose to kick out kids for 'disturbing the peace' who were shouting about Obama) IF the behavior happens on campus.

But not off.
 
I also happen to disagree with you that it is a "basic human right" to own a gun, or at least I think you are being pretty dramatic about the whole thing. Basic human rights, in my opinion, are those that we need to live such as food, water and shelter. While I love guns more than just about anything, I don't need one to live. Thus, I refute your claim about guns being a basic human right.

There is a difference between Neccesity of Survival and Basic Human Right.

Lets set aside Gun Ownership for a minute.

Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion, Right to Due Process. These are not required for you to live. Do you believe that these are NOT 'basic human rights'?

The phrase is 'Basic Human Rights'

what word are you keying in on that makes you think it means 'food and water'? Basic?

Why do you think the term Rights is included, and what does it mean in this context? (note, not basic+rights...simply rights)
 
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