"Unprecedented societal concern”?

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I'm good with the Founding Father's perspective:
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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Any restriction to the above is unconstitutional. Blue state lemmings insist upon infringing upon citizen's 2A rights because liberals are too weak and cowardly to uphold the law, i.e., control crime. Control criminals. If they would perform the latter, there would be zero need to control gun ownership.
 
Aim1 said:
I don't recall hearing this term in any recent cases.
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The phrase does occur in Thomas's Opinion, but the entire sentence conveys a rather different message:

"While the historical analogies here and in Heller are relatively simple to draw, other cases implicating unprecedented societal concerns or dramatic technological changes may require a more nuanced approach."
 
Shanvanvocht said:
The phrase does occur in Thomas's Opinion, but the entire sentence conveys a rather different message:

"While the historical analogies here and in Heller are relatively simple to draw, other cases implicating unprecedented societal concerns or dramatic technological changes may require a more nuanced approach."
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Since Thomas didn't write it does it carry legal weight?
 
Shanvanvocht said:
"While the historical analogies here and in Heller are relatively simple to draw, other cases implicating unprecedented societal concerns or dramatic technological changes may require a more nuanced approach."
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There's an opinion that "unprecedented societal concern" is just that--alien invasion, barbarian hordes, e.g., thins that are a threat to (US) society and are unprecedented.
Note that, in context, "civil war" would be a precedented societal concern, as would be foreign troops on US soil.

The "dramatic technological changes" would be something just that, dramatic. Like being able to 3d print phased plasma rifles in the 40W range, or $3 phasers or the like.

The antis love to grasp at straws. Reality does not concern them. They refuse to even imagine the scope of what they want, that there's circa 400 million firearms spread over 150-200 million Americans (and those are just the legal ones). The scream and shout as if there's only a few hundred people and perhaps a thousand firearms. But, it's their Opinion! And they are Certain! Of! It!
 
This sounds like every Commie politician here in California, straight out of their mouths. Civilian disarmament is a Cancer that is spreading across the country unchecked from Caliifornia, NY, Washington DC. We are already in a war my fellow gun owners. They will not rest until all civilians are disarmed. Which means within most of our life times, we will ALWAYS have politicians seeking to disarm us.
 
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CapnMac said:
The antis love to grasp at straws. Reality does not concern them. They refuse to even imagine the scope of what they want, that there's circa 400 million firearms spread over 150-200 million Americans (and those are just the legal ones). The scream and shout as if there's only a few hundred people and perhaps a thousand firearms. But, it's their Opinion! And they are Certain! Of! It!
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This is so true! I was just lurking over at Daily Kos following a gun discussion, and the naivete and ignorance exhibited there was startling. There used to be a few sane voices on the site regarding guns, but they have all been banned. It appears that the "party line" among Democrats now is to be against guns, in whatever way possible. It wasn't like that even a few years ago.

Here in Virginia, we have a primary election coming up on June 20th. In the 34th state senatorial district (my district), we have a moderate incumbent Democrat, Chap Petersen, running for his political life against an upstart progressive, Saddam Salim. Petersen was among a handful of Democrats that managed to block the proposed draconian assault weapon ban back in 2020. Now this Salim fellow is making that vote the issue in his campaign, and he has racked up tons of endorsements from statewide Democrats. The race right now is probably too close to call. If Salim wins, I'm going to have to vote Republican in November, and for me, that's really saying something.
 
CapnMac said:
But, it's their Opinion! And they are Certain! Of! It!
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A prominent left-wing political action forum was decrying some law which was in our (gun owners') favor. One marxist poster said that it will allow a gun dealer to sell full auto revolvers out of an ice cream truck. And she was positively adamant about it.
 
SunnySlopes said:
A prominent left-wing political action forum was decrying some law which was in our (gun owners') favor. One marxist poster said that it will allow a gun dealer to sell full auto revolvers out of an ice cream truck. And she was positively adamant about it.
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I love ice cream and revolvers! I want to live where I can get both from the same truck!
 
SunnySlopes said:
Well, apparently, you'll have to move to La La Land where liberals live.
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It can’t be too bad with revolver trucks driving around town! :D

I expect there might be more singing and dancing than I’m accustomed to, but it still sounds like a wonderful place!
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SunnySlopes said:
Well, apparently, you'll have to move to La La Land where liberals live.
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That's the problem, the ultra left liberals have migrated from LA and have infected basically every state that borders Ca and the west coast. Washington, Oregon, Nevada, even Arizona have full Commie infestations and they all want and vote
for anti-gun politicians. My in laws moved to Eagle, Idaho, one of the formerly most gun friendly states in the country and they're seeing the infection even up there. Another friend lives in Prescott, he is an FFL and has told me that Arizona is
even getting worse on gun rights.

We've been sounding the alarm and telling the rest of America for decades that this Cancer is spreading to every single state and that we need to band together to defeat it but it seems most gun owners in states that used to respect individual freedoms and gun rights would rather just bag on California, thinking "That could never happen here in my 'free' state so I can be smug and bag on those stuck behind enemy lines instead of banding together as an actual effective political machine that supports individual rights and 2A rights."

When the VP of the country is a former rabidly anti-gun AG of California and is now the VP and was just appointed anti-gun Czar by the Potato, maybe it's time for ALL gun owners in America to actually get active and DO something to prevent full civilian disarmament of our country?
 
Aim1 said:
A magazine is a component that is necessary for operation but I wouldn't say a magazine is an arm.
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I might not either, using my terminology but here are a couple examples of machineguns according to our .gov…

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Aim1 said:
A magazine is a component that is necessary for operation but I wouldn't say a magazine is an arm.

Just like the round. A round isn't a firearm but you definitely need it for the firearm to work.



Is unprecedented societal concern in the Bruen ruling?
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The Founders with today's knowledge would view the magazine as a necessary component of a firearm and would consider them to be one in the same. Same would go for ammunition.

This would be like banning the use of springs in a firearm because the spring itself isn't an arm of any sort.
 
21H40 said:
It can’t be too bad with revolver trucks driving around town! :D

I expect there might be more singing and dancing than I’m accustomed to, but it still sounds like a wonderful place!
:rofl:
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This could be quite the business venture. Instead of the Snap On truck delivering tools, we could have "Wheelguns on Wheels" that delivers right to your door a brand new revolver.
 
AlexanderA said:
This is so true! I was just lurking over at Daily Kos following a gun discussion, and the naivete and ignorance exhibited there was startling. There used to be a few sane voices on the site regarding guns, but they have all been banned. It appears that the "party line" among Democrats now is to be against guns, in whatever way possible. It wasn't like that even a few years ago.

Here in Virginia, we have a primary election coming up on June 20th. In the 34th state senatorial district (my district), we have a moderate incumbent Democrat, Chap Petersen, running for his political life against an upstart progressive, Saddam Salim. Petersen was among a handful of Democrats that managed to block the proposed draconian assault weapon ban back in 2020. Now this Salim fellow is making that vote the issue in his campaign, and he has racked up tons of endorsements from statewide Democrats. The race right now is probably too close to call. If Salim wins, I'm going to have to vote Republican in November, and for me, that's really saying something.
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It’s a little late to vote Republican now. If you would’ve realized that 30 years ago, maybe you could’ve stopped some of the stuff you are whining about now. I have nothing but distain for people that have voted for the Democrats the past 30 years, and claim to care about the second amendment. You are getting what you deserve sir.
 
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