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As we are now painfully aware, United Parcel Service will no longer allow individuals to ship firearms unless that individual has an FFL. In the past few years I have shipped several firearms and packages of ammo without difficulty. Some of the shipped rifles were sent in for repair, on two occasions for a warranty repair. One wonders what happens when that is the case? I'll find out because a friend of mine bought a new rifle that will not fire and he plans to return it.
The UPS changes do not stop there. I just sold a brick of 17Mach2 ammo and went to UPS to ship it. I've done this before. But, the new wrinkle........as before, ammo packages have to have a sticker on them that designates them to have restrictions. Fine. So I go to the UPS Service center that has, in the past, provided the required sticker. Not any more. They will still ship it, but you have to look it up on-line and print off the required sticker and attach it yourself. In the past they would grab the sticker from under the counter, slap it on and ship...no big deal. I asked, "So what do I do if I do not have a computer and printer? He shrugged.
These changes are designed as road blocks; intentional interference for gun enthusiasts. What's happening in your efforts to ship?
 
Yup. The woke mob is taking over. They cant do it using the Statehouses, so instead they’ll attack via the Boardrooms. :fire:

I will say that two weeks ago I shipped a Wrangler back to Ruger with a pre paid Ruger label via Fed Ex. Painless drop off at a Red Ex office. I picked it up Monday at a UPS customer center. Again, a painless pick up.

But, I was using their label. If I was to ship myself I am sure I would be running into roadblocks, too. :(

Stay safe.
 
Long guns at least can still be shipped via the post office.

How long that will last, who knows?

What’s weird is you cannot ship a stripped lower via the post office, too small and concealable, but you can ship a complete ready to fire rifle.
 
It appears to me that the sticker thing represents the gradual insidious erosion of any willingness or effort to help gun people pursue our sport. Right now I'm waiting for the arrival of some reloading bullets. And ammo from a different source. One company is on top of it, the other.....not sure. I'm 76 years old and have shipped items and received items numbering in the hundreds and it has clearly been made more difficult by design. Not in the sense of a grand conspiracy. Rather, when I complain to non-gun people, I get the shoulder shrug. Or the dismiss it with an idiotic comment like "they're just trying to keep us safe." OYE!!
 
Maybe I have a solution for some. I recently sold a handgun. The UPS and Fed Ex fees were insanely high. USPS was not an option for me. So I paid my LGS to ship the gun to the FFL. They charged me $40 plus the cost of Priority Mail shipping to send the gun through USPS. That was cheaper than the fees UPS and FedEx wanted. Gun was shipped and received without issue.
 
dweis said:
Maybe I have a solution for some. I recently sold a handgun. The UPS and Fed Ex fees were insanely high. USPS was not an option for me. So I paid my LGS to ship the gun to the FFL. They charged me $40 plus the cost of Priority Mail shipping to send the gun through USPS. That was cheaper than the fees UPS and FedEx wanted. Gun was shipped and received without issue.
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I need to quadruple my shipping fee.
 
Sniper66 said:
It appears to me that the sticker thing represents the gradual insidious erosion of any willingness or effort to help gun people pursue our sport.
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In my experience it's an unwillingness to provide any customer service at all beyond the minimum amount required to retain their job. It's aggravating but also kind of understandable. When management decides to "reduce headcount" to increase profit, counting on each employee to simply do the work of two for the wages of one, there will be consequences. Last time I shipped ammo I was unaware that they didn't have stickers but luckily the woman at the window simply grabbed a Sharpie and made one for me. But I'm in a small town so maybe that's it, or maybe it was just because I was very polite.
 
Sniper66 said:
..... I go to the UPS Service center that has, in the past, provided the required sticker. Not any more. They will still ship it, but you have to look it up on-line and print off the required sticker and attach it yourself. In the past they would grab the sticker from under the counter, slap it on and ship...no big deal. I asked, "So what do I do if I do not have a computer and printer? He shrugged.
These changes are designed as road blocks; intentional interference for gun enthusiasts. What's happening in your efforts to ship?
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Maybe its less of a conspiracy and more "we ran out of labels".
You don't even need a label, crayon and the ability to draw a straight line and you can mark the box as required.
 
dogtown tom said:
Maybe its less of a conspiracy and more "we ran out of labels".
You don't even need a label, crayon and the ability to draw a straight line and you can mark the box as required.
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Folks come in to my library every day to print return labels.
Recently, the return labels also include any additional warning labels and bar codes as well as the return labels themselves.
 
Sounds like it will depend on who you get when you request the service. My guy had to "go ask my supervisor." I was directed to the web site which had very specific guidelines as to the size of the of the label. When I returned with the appropriate label attached, he breathed an audible sigh of relief.
And no, he didn't run out of labels. He said, "we don't provide those any more and we're not allowed to put them on for you."
 
Sniper66 said:
These changes are designed as road blocks; intentional interference for gun enthusiasts.
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No, these changes are a shipping company trying to maximize profits by having customers do the work for them – in the Digital Age everyone has a computer and printer.

There is no nefarious conspiracy on the part of UPS to undermine firearm transactions and hobble the shooting sports – it’s about a de facto monopoly that couldn’t care less about its customers.
 
UPS will allow non-licensees to ship as long as the label is supplied by an FFL with a firearms account and it is going to that FFL. But you cannot take it to a retail store, has to go to a hub or be picked up by a driver.

They also don't know what they don't know, but if you ship against their policies and the item is lost or damaged, they'll tell you to kick rocks.

I honestly think lost parcels are one of the reasons for this. People almost always insure firearms and suppressors, and when one goes missing, they pay through the nose for it. UPS has been the least problematic for us, but there have been a few, and they end up shelling out around a grand when a can is lost on their watch.
 
FWIW:

I picked up a gun from UPS this morning. It was shipped to me by a dealer and the sender was (let’s say) “John’s Guns” and the box was obviously long. Gee, I wonder what’s inside?

The lady behind the desk asked me if it was a gun, in a casual way after I signed for it as an over-21 adult, but didn’t ask me to show my FFL, nor did she really care. I answered truthfully “yes it’s a gun, I’m a dealer, and I have no idea if the dealer who shipped it did so properly, I hear you guys have new rules.” She laughed and said she had no idea about the new rules either because “it changes every week.” She wished me a good day and I did the same.

So, on the ground, I think a lot of the rank and file don’t know or care. But I’m sure if you had to file a claim for damages they’d use it as an excuse to deny it.
 
Sniper66 said:
As we are now painfully aware, United Parcel Service will no longer allow individuals to ship firearms unless that individual has an FFL. In the past few years I have shipped several firearms and packages of ammo without difficulty. Some of the shipped rifles were sent in for repair, on two occasions for a warranty repair. One wonders what happens when that is the case? I'll find out because a friend of mine bought a new rifle that will not fire and he plans to return it.
The UPS changes do not stop there. I just sold a brick of 17Mach2 ammo and went to UPS to ship it. I've done this before. But, the new wrinkle........as before, ammo packages have to have a sticker on them that designates them to have restrictions. Fine. So I go to the UPS Service center that has, in the past, provided the required sticker. Not any more. They will still ship it, but you have to look it up on-line and print off the required sticker and attach it yourself. In the past they would grab the sticker from under the counter, slap it on and ship...no big deal. I asked, "So what do I do if I do not have a computer and printer? He shrugged.
These changes are designed as road blocks; intentional interference for gun enthusiasts. What's happening in your efforts to ship?
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Where did this happen? My wife works for them and hasn't made mention of it, an in fact I just shipped a gun out for some work this past week, and I have no FFL
 
Sniper66 said:
As we are now painfully aware, United Parcel Service will no longer allow individuals to ship firearms unless that individual has an FFL. In the past few years I have shipped several firearms and packages of ammo without difficulty. Some of the shipped rifles were sent in for repair, on two occasions for a warranty repair. One wonders what happens when that is the case? I'll find out because a friend of mine bought a new rifle that will not fire and he plans to return it.
The UPS changes do not stop there. I just sold a brick of 17Mach2 ammo and went to UPS to ship it. I've done this before. But, the new wrinkle........as before, ammo packages have to have a sticker on them that designates them to have restrictions. Fine. So I go to the UPS Service center that has, in the past, provided the required sticker. Not any more. They will still ship it, but you have to look it up on-line and print off the required sticker and attach it yourself. In the past they would grab the sticker from under the counter, slap it on and ship...no big deal. I asked, "So what do I do if I do not have a computer and printer? He shrugged.
These changes are designed as road blocks; intentional interference for gun enthusiasts. What's happening in your efforts to ship?
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I have no problems shipping with them, and sent a complete rifle out last week and I have no FFL. I do my own labels online, and them just send them with my wife who works for UPS. She just dumps it in one of the bins at the warehouse and done. Ammo is just like anything combustable as explosions at 40,000 feet are not healthy for cargo airliners. I've never shipped ammo but receive it often ups. Best way to avoid shipping woes is to avoid direct contact with them. OUt of sight out of mind. The odds of a package getting flagged is almost nil, in fact at my wifes warehouse drug inspection consists of a Sheriffs canine sniffing a 20 foot section of conveyor belt for 5 minutes 2x a month. I'll also add that when shipping firearms i make sure the box is as generic as can be , so theres no way of knowing the contents.
 
Sniper66 said:
I'm in Lawrence, KS
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I'm in Florida. I pretty sure I could ship a hand grenade from UPS here in central Florida,, They're so messed up it took them 5 months to realize that a theft ring was stealing over $100,000 a month in Brand new Iphones being shipped in to customers and stores. after finding out they let it go on another 4 months, to investigate lol my wife actually took video of the scam for management. the boxes all had identifyable features advertising its contents, and 3 guys at different sections on the belt line would keep a gym bag at there feet and as the box reached him to scan he used a bath towel to wipe his face then cover the box and slide off the belt and into the bag below. that one guy she filmed stole 17 phones in just over an hour. once the gym bag was full he'd wait till break then unload to his car and start again. It was amazing, and zero security cameras in the place. 4 billion a year in revenue and my wife had to get it on camera for them!! ultimatley 2 of the three were arrested but mysterioulsy not charged, this makes me think the trail let up to some of the supervisors and in return for cooperating they gave up however the big boss was. Is just bizarre it went unseen th at long, so somebody had to be cooking the scan logs otherwise it would be impossible to miss.

Maybe thats why i have no issues as they're buried in other nonsense and can't be bothered. Oh and heres another joke, no lie there's at least 5-6 people a month getting caught using drugs, and as long as you admit falt you keep your job and go to rehab with pay, yet my wifes supervisor was seen out to dinner kissing a subordinate and he was instantly fired for violating the dating a subordinate policy and he had just completed his 20th year anniversary! imagine going from $150,000 a year to zero over one photo of you kissing a subordinate. crazy times we are in
 
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