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US Senate concealed carry bill gains support

Discussion in 'Legal' started by LAR-15, Feb 5, 2007.

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  1. LAR-15

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    S.388
    Title: A bill to amend title 18, United States Code, to provide a national standard in accordance with which nonresidents of a State may carry concealed firearms in the State.
    Sponsor: Sen Thune, John [SD] (introduced 1/25/2007) Cosponsors (17)
    Related Bills: H.R.226
    Latest Major Action: 1/25/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.
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    COSPONSORS(17), ALPHABETICAL [followed by Cosponsors withdrawn]: (Sort: by date)
    Sen Baucus, Max [MT] - 1/25/2007 Sen Burr, Richard [NC] - 1/25/2007
    Sen Coburn, Tom [OK] - 1/25/2007 Sen Cornyn, John [TX] - 1/25/2007
    Sen Craig, Larry E. [ID] - 1/25/2007 Sen Crapo, Mike [ID] - 1/25/2007
    Sen Dole, Elizabeth [NC] - 1/25/2007 Sen Enzi, Michael B. [WY] - 2/1/2007
    Sen Grassley, Chuck [IA] - 1/29/2007 Sen Hatch, Orrin G. [UT] - 1/26/2007
    Sen Inhofe, James M. [OK] - 1/25/2007 Sen Lott, Trent [MS] - 1/25/2007
    Sen Martinez, Mel [FL] - 1/25/2007 Sen Nelson, E. Benjamin [NE] - 1/25/2007
    Sen Roberts, Pat [KS] - 2/1/2007 Sen Sununu, John E. [NH] - 1/25/2007
     
  2. Autolycus

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    Well I know that my senators will not support it.
     
  3. Libertylover

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    I had to send Sununu props for his cosponsoring this one. I can't see it passing the current Senate, but with the blue (more like RED, as in commie red!) sweeping NH, we're going to have to be extra vocal to our congresscritters so they don't start thinking us liberty minded folks have all left...
     
  4. Erebus

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    Yea sending a letter to Kennedy or Kerry would be a waste of paper and ink. I don't think either one has ever voted for a pro gun bill in their entire careers.
     
  5. Kali Endgame

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    I am so disappointed that Senators Fienstein and Boxer did not co-sign this wonderful piece of legislature. Really, what is the world coming to?
     
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    The irony if this were to become law with the current setting...
     
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  7. Lone_Gunman

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    Is it just me, or does it seem like the Republicans are introducing more pro-gun legislation now that they are no longer in control of Congress?
     
  8. LAR-15

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    There hasn't been much gun legislation introduced on Capitol Hill this year either way...........
     
  9. strat81

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    My senator, Ben Nelson (D, NE), is a co-sponsor. Sweet! One less letter to write.
     
  10. Joe Link

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    You still ought to write him a letter of thanks and support :)
     
  11. Juna

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    I know the feeling. :barf: I've written both my F- rated senators, and they've both replied with generic BS about how they support reducing crime WITHOUT infringing upon the rights of law abiding gun owners. Yet, I fail to see either of their names on that list. :cuss: :banghead: :fire: :barf:

    There are some real morons in my state. They voted in the same schmucks who violate our IIA rights, raise our taxes, and continue to keep our status as the worst state economy and most people leaving the state in the nation! :banghead:
     
  12. Liberal Gun Nut

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    You should DEFINITELY write a thank-you, especially if he's a Democrat. Those thank-yous may be even more important than the please-votes.
     
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    Although I have one, I dislike the idea of having to have a license to exercise a God-given inalienable right. So we get a national CHL, making all of our state CHL's obsolete. Then we get another federal bureaucracy to administer it, unless they let the BATFE do it. And then, instead of repealing all of the state laws, all they have to do is repeal one law. The less control given to the federal government, the better!
     
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    I wrote to Thune, who I'm not really a fan of but he's my only real senator at the moment, and I thanked him for introducing this bill, with the hope that it can be passed. I also wrote to our only House Rep, who happens to be a Democrat but was given an A rating by the NRA (for whatever that's worth), and asked her to support a similar bill that's in the House right now. I've never written to my Congresspeople before, and somehow I doubt that what I say will really affect anything, but it was still satisfying to write and tell them how I felt.

    I'm definitely going to keep my fingers crossed and hope this bill gets somewhere. :)
     
  15. Gray Peterson

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    Um, did you even read the proposed bill?

    License RECIPROCITY. Not creation of a national CHL. Can anyone get this part right?
     
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    On the one hand, I like the idea.

    On the other hand, I'll bet the Pinkos empty the entire medicine-chest into poison-pilling it if it looks like it'll get to a floor vote...
     
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    "H.R. 226, introduced by U.S. Representatives Cliff Stearns’ (R-Fla.) and Rich Boucher (D-Va.), would allow any person with a valid concealed firearm carrying permit or license, issued by a state, to carry a concealed firearm in any state, as follows: In states that issue concealed firearm permits, a state’s laws governing where concealed firearms may be carried would apply within its borders. In states that do not issue carry permits, a federal "bright-line" standard would permit carrying in places other than police stations; courthouses; public polling places; meetings of state, county, or municipal governing bodies; schools; passenger areas of airports; and certain other locations. The bill applies to D.C., Puerto Rico and U.S. territories. It would not create a federal licensing system; it would require the states to recognize each others’ carry permits, just as they recognize drivers’ licenses and carry permits held by armored car guards. Rep. Stearns has introduced such legislation since 1995."

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1775517/posts?page=1

    describing a house bill paired with S388 that would allow you to carry most places you want to go, in all states, even those without CCW, and, more importantly, in those without "shall issue" requirements, like maryland (spoken as a penna resident).
     
  18. Jeff White

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    There it is, the civilian counterpart to HR 218. Let's hope it doesn't take as long to pass.

    All of you who posted such nasty things about carry for the elite and other such nonsense can now help yourself to a large serving of crow.

    Don't think you've got an out because the badged politicians won't support it. They didn't support HR 218 either.

    Jeff
     
  19. Liberal Gun Nut

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    Jeff, this bill has been introduced every year for the past several years. It gets more support every year but has yet to pass. Now for it to pass it will need to get past Speaker Pelosi.

    Anyway, everyone, write your reps! Your Representative and your two senators.
     
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    I am aware of that. It was first introduced a year after HR218. My post is just pointing out that there was a lot of unfounded screaming of favoritism on this an a lot of other firearms forums.

    Jeff
     
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    It was first introduced a year after HR218.

    It took a few years for HR 218 to pass. That was with every police officer in the country already meeting some kind of standard. Let's not bad mouth a good thing, It apparently has restrictions attached but it would be a big move forward and could force all states (CA, IL, NY, NJ, among them) to become shall issue states. They'd be hard pressed to prevent their own citizens from getting a CCW permit when someone from out of state could carry on their's.
     
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    Before you start cooing and strutting about a serving of crow, just remember that they could have passed this years ago.

    And remember, YOU are a civilian as well. If you think of the citizens in your jurisdiction as "civilians" it puts you in a mindset of being at war. Don't be shocked if the "civilians" see you as a jack-booted occupier.
     
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    Would that mean Illinois would have to honor a Missouri permit regardless of if Illinois issued a permit or not? If so I see myself getting a Missouri permit on that event :D
     
  24. coat4gun

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    Limitations concern me

    The "Criminal Carry Only" places setup by the Limitations in the bill concern me allot. I would hate to see this list of off limit carry places spread to the free'er States. In PA, the only place I can not carry is a courthouse and questionably a school. More off limit places do not make anyone safer.

    There is no evidence that States that do limit carry more strictly are any safer... and those free'er States do not have any more problems in those locations that are restricted in other States. The list of limited places needs to be pared down extensively.

     
  25. Jeff White

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    hoji,
    Websters defines civilian as one not in military, police or fire service. Why do you think that it's some kind of an insult? It's simply a way to define the line between those who serve and those who don't. Neither is any level above the other.

    It took 10 years to pass (and most of that time was with a republican controlled legislature) HR 218. It will probably take at least that long to pass this bill.

    As for the snide comment about an at war mindset, let me remind you that soldiers (and I was one for one month shy of 29 years) protect civilians, they don't make war on them.

    Jeff
     
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