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The Bill to Immunize the Gun Industry From Liability:
Why Every Senator, Pro- or Anti-Gun Control, Should Oppose It

By ANTHONY J. SEBOK
[email protected]
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Wednesday, Jul. 02, 2003

Very soon, the Senate will be asked to vote on a law that would give the gun industry legal privileges that no other private individual or corporation has in America. Every Senator—regardless of his or her party, and view on gun control —who believes in the rule of law should oppose this bill.

WARNING WARNING WARNING
the following paragraph is a bold-faced lie (see next post)


The bill is shockingly simple. It is a mere nine pages long. The law is designed to protect anyone “engaged in the business†of firearms, meaning manufacturers, dealers, and distributors of weapons or ammunition. It grants this lucky group immunity from civil liability from suits brought under the common law, including claims brought under theories of negligence, products liability, and nuisance.

The law’s reach is total—it prohibits such lawsuits in all 50 states as well as in the federal courts.

The House has already passed its version of the law, called the “Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act,†and President Bush seems eager to sign it. That leaves the Senate to block the bill, and it seems disinclined to do so.

That’s a shame – for it is disappointing to see a Republican-controlled Senate display so little respect for an area of law that should be properly left to the states.

Why the Bill Is Radical: Taking Away Rights and Offering Nothing In Return

In order to appreciate the radical quality of this proposed law, one should think back on the September 11 Victims Compensation Fund, which I have discussed in this column on numerous occasions.

The Fund law made it very hard for victims to bring lawsuits against the airlines and other defendants. But it did not formally bar such suits. Moreover, and more importantly, when the Fund law took away, it also gave: Congress offered to pay families who waived their right to sue “full compensation†for their loss.

In every case that I can recall where the Congress has stepped in to remove the right to sue in its entirety – and in the case of the Fund law, where it simply made it harder to sue – Congress has offered something in return.

But in the case of firearms, Congress seems happy to strip away the right to sue and give victims nothing in return.

That something-for-nothing switch may very well be unconstitutional – as I discussed in an earlier column written with Professor John Goldberg. In this column, however, I want to pursue a much simpler, more basic question: why is Congress immunizing the firearms industry?

Is There a Case For Immunity For the Firearms Industry, and If So, What Is It?

Earlier, when Congress acted to interfere with state tort law, a plausible case could be made that there was a pressing national need—the subject areas were the aftermath of 9/11; childhood vaccines, nuclear power, and so on.

In the instance of the 9/11 fund, the justification for federal intervention was the scale of the national tragedy. In the context of asbestos – also the subject of a recent bill – it was the scale of the injury, which has lasted for over 50 years and involves intractably difficult questions of causation.

A similarly pressing national need ought to be implicated if the new gun industry bill is to be justified. After all – as conservatives ought to be the first to point out – our commitment to federalism, based both in the Constitution and in our history, places the burden of proof on anyone who would want to grant federal immunity against state tort liability.

Has this burden been met? The bill’s proponents claim the firearms industry is being threatened by “junk lawsuits†and that the states are not doing enough to protect the industry.

Here are the lawsuits that they likely would deem “junkâ€: A rash of lawsuits have been filed against manufacturers and dealers by cities and municipalities under a vast array of novel claims, including public nuisance, design defect, consumer fraud and negligent distribution. A lawsuit has been filed by the NAACP in federal court in Brooklyn, New York, that demands an injunction ordering the industry to control its wholesale distribution practices around the country, especially in the South. And a number of lawsuits have demanded compensation on behalf of individuals killed or injured by criminals who have obtained guns illegally, or by children who accidentally fired a gun.

But that leads to three important questions: Are suits like these really “junk� If some are, is the state tort system failing to handle them adequately? Finally, if the states are not handling them adequately, what should be done?

A Lack of Evidence that State Tort Law Is Ineffective In Such Cases

First, some of the suits may indeed be, if not “junk,†at least an unfortunate instance of presenting an argument to courts, that really ought to be addressed to legislatures.

Over the past five years, handgun control advocates and their legal allies have attempted to use the tort law to control handguns. I have been, and I continue to be, very skeptical of these attempts, since I view them as part of an effort to use tort law as a substitute for legislation.

The lawsuits by the cities and municipalities are especially doubtful. They seem to be based as much on a desire to imitate the successful assault by the states on the tobacco industry as they are on careful legal analysis.

Second, the state tort system seems entirely capable of sorting the wheat from the chaff. For one thing, many such suits are dismissed or fail on appeal.

Consider, for instance, the case before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in which the Circuit certified to the New York Court of Appeals the question whether the handgun industry had a duty to protect victims of handgun violence from injury caused by the illegal trafficking of handguns. The New York Court of Appeals said no – and it did so on the basis of a very sensitive, nuanced analysis.

Meanwhile, other state and federal courts have approached the public nuisance theory with an equally sober and skeptical eye.

Clearly, though, the gun industry fears that not all states will be as intelligent and subtle as New York in addressing gun suits. But suppose it’s correct – suppose some states do broaden the obligations of the firearms industry – and adopt novel (and to some, groundless) theories of negligence, products liability, or nuisance to do so? Is it really wise for Congress to step in to correct these “errors�

To my mind, this is really the most important question: Should federal power be exercised so sweepingly? The Senate ought to focus carefully on this issue.

As I noted above, gun lawsuits do not share the scale, complexity, or national stature of 9/11 lawsuits or the behemoth asbestos litigation. They do, at most, share the same risk of a jury issuing an emotional – and indeed, irrational verdict.

But that point alone cannot enough for federal intervention, for many, many tort cases engage the heartstrings more than the intellect. No jury wants to deny recovery to a cancer victim, or the family of a brain-damaged infant, either, but malpractice cases continue to be litigated in state court.

The Unconvincing Defense of the Bill That Would Immunize the Firearms Industry

Defenders of the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act are thus on shaky ground. Perhaps they know it – for they have come up with a convoluted, and unpersuasive legal justification for the bill.

Their argument is that – unlike all previous attempts by the federal government to meddle with state tort law – the bill eliminates only those claims brought on frivolous, politicized grounds. It leaves standing “old fashioned†tort doctrines, such as negligent entrustment, and strict liability for manufacturing defects. Thus, it doesn’t really monkey with the states’ authority after all; it only makes sure they stay in their traditional bailiwick.

Well, not exactly. Even in the “old fashioned†tort doctrines, the bill changes state law. It would permit claims based on negligent entrustment to only be brought against sellers – not, say, manufacturers. And it would forbid products liability claims that claim a gun design is defective in that it makes it easier for criminals to obtain and use handguns. :scrutiny: Someone please explain how a gun's "defective design" makes it easier to "obtain." "Oops, a lot got through without the magic criminal-detection aura!"

In any event, even if the bill really did leave negligent entrustment, and products liability alone, that still would not justify its existence. It is not usually Congress’s job to police what the “proper†boundaries of “normal†state tort law are. And that’s a positive thing: The development of state tort law is a complex process. It is hard to believe that Congress is going to do a better job than the various judges, juries and legislatures throughout the land.

For all these reasons, let us hope that a majority of Senators from both sides of the aisle will have the courage to stand up and oppose the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act. Congress should only intervene in state tort law in an emergency, and then with precision and restraint. This is an extremist response to a problem that the states can handle.
 
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The bill is shockingly simple. It is a mere nine pages long. The law is designed to protect anyone “engaged in the business†of firearms, meaning manufacturers, dealers, and distributors of weapons or ammunition. It grants this lucky group immunity from civil liability from suits brought under the common law, including claims brought under theories of negligence, products liability, and nuisance.

Bzzzzt. Wrong. Thank you for playing Big Lawyer Lies!

"Claims brought under theories of negligence, products liability, and nuisance" could still be filed under the bill's exclusions, which would allow the following types of cases [i.e. Bullseye still could be sued under (i), (ii) and (iii)]:

"(i) an action brought against a transferor convicted under section 924(h) of title 18, United States Code, or a comparable or identical State felony law, by a party directly harmed by the conduct of which the transferee is so convicted;

(ii) an action brought against a seller for negligent entrustment or negligence per se;

(iii) an action in which a manufacturer or seller of a qualified product knowingly and willfully violated a State or Federal statute applicable to the sale or marketing of the product, and the violation was a proximate cause of the harm for which relief is sought;

(iv) an action for breach of contract or warranty in connection with the purchase of the product; or

(v) an action for physical injuries or property damage resulting directly from a defect in design or manufacture of the product, when used as intended."
 
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My letter which I'm sure will be ignored.

Mr. Sebok,

In your article, you stated:

The bill is shockingly simple. It is a mere nine pages long. The law is designed to protect anyone “engaged in the business†of firearms, meaning manufacturers, dealers, and distributors of weapons or ammunition. It grants this lucky group immunity from civil liability from suits brought under the common law, including claims brought under theories of negligence, products liability, and nuisance.

PERHAPS YOU MISSED THIS PORTION OF THE BILL:

(5) QUALIFIED CIVIL LIABILITY ACTION-

(A) IN GENERAL- The term `qualified civil liability action' means a civil action brought by any person against a manufacturer or seller of a qualified product, or a trade association, for damages resulting from the criminal or unlawful misuse of a qualified product by the person or a third party, but shall not include--

(i) an action brought against a transferor convicted under section 924(h) of title 18, United States Code, or a comparable or identical State felony law, by a party directly harmed by the conduct of which the transferee is so convicted;

(ii) an action brought against a seller for negligent entrustment or negligence per se;

(iii) an action in which a manufacturer or seller of a qualified product knowingly and willfully violated a State or Federal statute applicable to the sale or marketing of the product, and the violation was a proximate cause of the harm for which relief is sought;

(iv) an action for breach of contract or warranty in connection with the purchase of the product; or

(v) an action for physical injuries or property damage resulting directly from a defect in design or manufacture of the product, when used as intended.

(B) NEGLIGENT ENTRUSTMENT- In subparagraph (A)(ii), the term `negligent entrustment' means the supplying of a qualified product by a seller for use by another person when the seller knows, or should know, the person to whom the product is supplied is likely to, and does, use the product in a manner involving unreasonable risk of physical injury to the person and others.

SOURCE: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:S.+659: THE OFFICIAL WEBPAGE OF THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS.

I shall patiently await the publishing of your correction to this error.

Sincerely,

Jim Peel
Kimball, NE
 
I wrote him too. People like this really make my blood boil.

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Dear Mr. Sebok,

Before you rail against S. 659, it would serve you well to read the ENTIRE bill. Then, read it again, to be sure you comprehend, before opening your mouth and inserting both feet.

Here, for your convenience, is a link to the full text of the Senate bill:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:S.+659:

And, quoted below in its entirety, is the relevant section you obviously missed. If the bill is so shockingly simple, how is it that you didn't grasp the concept? The gun industry stands to gain immunity from only those lawsuits that seek to lay blame for the actions of a third party, actions the manufacturer of the product cannot control. It's akin to suing Ford because a drunk driver hit you with his Explorer.

Your claim that the gun industry is gaining blanket immunity from civil liability is blatantly false, and I expect to see a retraction in your next column. You're either a law professor who has trouble understanding basic English, or you're deliberately pushing a political agenda with alarmist information you know to be false.

Sincerely,

Me.

Relevant text of the bill quoted.
 
Here is his response to my e-mail:

Where is the need for a correction?

To which I responded:

Dear Mr. Sebok,

You asked me "Where is the need for a correction?"

Dear Mr. Sebok,

You stated very clearly:

It grants this lucky group immunity from civil liability from suits brought under the common law, including claims brought under theories of NEGLIGENCE, PRODUCTS LIABILITY, and NUISANCE.

The bill clearly states that there are QUALIFIED CIVIL LIABILITY ACTION(s) which is the title of section (5) of the bill.

This portion (5) (A) (i) specifically EXCLUDES from the protection this bill grants and enumerates the causes of action under which a lawsuit may be brought. This includes actions on the part of a “transferor (the guy who sells the firearm) of a firearm who is convicted under 924(h) of title 18, United States Code, or a COMPARABLE OR IDENTICAL STATE FELONY LAW, by a party directly harmed by the conduct of which the transferee (the person who bought the firearm) is so convicted;â€

This means that if a person is convicted of an unlawful transfer of a firearm and the person to whom the firearm was transferred harms another person; that person may bring an action against the transferor of the firearm. That person has no protection from a lawsuit for damages as your article erroneously states because the transfer was illegal in the first place. That would be the part wherein you state they are immune from claims of “nuisanceâ€. You are in error and a correction is in order.

Further:

The bill also excludes from the protection of the bill, as stated in (5) (A) (ii) “an action brought against a seller for negligent entrustment or negligence per se;â€

Negligent entrustment is defined at (5) (B)

NEGLIGENT ENTRUSTMENT- In subparagraph (A)(ii), (the section quoted above) “the term `negligent entrustment' means the supplying of a qualified product by a seller for use by another person when the seller knows, OR SHOULD KNOW, the person to whom the product is supplied is likely to, and does, use the product in a manner involving unreasonable risk of physical injury to the person and others.â€

That person or distributor has no protection from a lawsuit for negligence as your article erroneously states. That would be the part wherein you state they are immune from claims of “negligenceâ€. You are in error and a correction is in order.

Further:

The bill also excludes from the protection of the bill, as stated in section (5) (a) (v) “an action for physical injuries or property damage resulting directly from a DEFECT IN DESIGN OR MANUFACTURE OF THE PRODUCT, when used as intended.â€

That manufacturer has no protection from a lawsuit for product liability as your article erroneously states. That would be the part wherein you state they are immune from claims of “products liabilityâ€. You are in error and a correction is in order.

Your claims were erroneous and in direct opposition to the language of the bill. Whether this was intended or unintended initially, I have no knowledge. What I do have knowledge of is that the facts have been presented to you in a manner which would be evident to any reasonable, lucid, cognizant person. That is the best that I can do.

If, however, you are an anti-firearms agendist with an ax to grind against the firearms industry, no amount of fact, or quotes from the language of the bill, will deter you from that course; and our intercourse on this subject is at an end.

Just know this, when one continues to tell a tale that is in error -- and they know that that tale is in error -- once confronted with irrefutable fact to the contrary; that person becomes a knowing teller of less than the truth. There is a word for that; but I consider myself a gentleman.

Sincerely,

Jim Peel
Kimball, NE
 
Gotta admit, he writes back ...

Here was his latest response to my letter above:

1. Did you read the end of the article where I discuss
the negligent entrustment and products liability
carve-outs? Or was supposed to put that at the
beginning of the article for people with short
attention spans?

2. Civil liability based on breach of a statutue is
per-se negligence, and no one would confuse that with
"negligence, products liability or nuisance." If you
did, I suppose I could have clarified that point in
print; I'm sorry.

To which I responded:

Dear Mr. Sebok,

Thank you for your response. You asked:

>1. Did you read the end of the article where I discuss the negligent entrustment and products liability carve-outs? Or was supposed to put that at the beginning of the article for people with short attention spans?

I did read the entire article, however ...

Studies have shown that the vast majority of readers of an article on any subject read the first 1-2 paragraphs and, based on that content, form an opinion; or make a decision on the desire to read the rest of the article -- the "grabber" paragraph. This is based purely on the desire of many people to "get on with it" and get the gist of the article; the Evelyn Woods syndrome as it were.

You made your unequivocal statement, which I cited, in your second paragraph and followed that by stating "The law’s reach is total ..." in the third paragraph. Words mean things and "total" means total. That this claim is belied by your refutation at the end of the article -- which argues the fallacy of the negligent entrustment and strict liability clauses-- seems to have been lost on you as your response above would illustrate. Remember, the subtitle of that section of your article is "The Unconvincing Defense of the Bill That Would Immunize the Firearms Industry"


>2. Civil liability based on breach of a statutue is per-se negligence, and no one would confuse that with "negligence, products liability or nuisance." If you did, I suppose I could have clarified that point in print; I'm sorry.

Apology accepted. However I was not confused.

I take the three points -- "negligence, products liability or nuisance" -- as individual tenets of law as there is no requirement that they be dependent, or interdependent, upon one another. I also pointed out that these three tenets are individually addressed in the body of the text of the bill.

Also, when you addressed these points at the end of the article it was done by stating that the argument illustrating that these tenets ARE addressed in the bill is "convoluted, and unpersuasive legal justification " and by saying things like "Well, not exactly. ".

Your claim that "It would permit claims based on negligent entrustment to only be brought against sellers – not, say, manufacturers." is specious as well as the manufacturers have no ability to monitor sellers of their product. Manufacturers do not sell their product directly to the public in most instances and, when they do, they have the blessings of an official arm of the United States federal government to do so based on background checks on the individual by that same government entity -- The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE). If anything, the negligent entrustment should be charged against the government for telling the manufacturer to sell the firearm to the bad guy.

You also fail to address the claim you make "And it would forbid products liability claims that claim a gun design is defective in that it makes it easier for criminals to obtain and use handguns." How does the design of a firearm make it "easier for criminals to obtain and use"? If the firearm were designed to fall from the sky of its own volition, or magically appear as if through a Star Trek transporter beam, this clauim might -- might -- have some, note "some", merit. These things, however, do not happen.

The courts have ruled that the proper operation of a firearm is obvious to a reasonable person. If a firearm is pointed at an object, animal, or person and, upon firing of that firearm with or without intention, that object, animal, or person is destroyed; the product has operated as designed and there is no defect in the product. It has operated as designed and thus there is no liability.

There have been successful libility suits brought against firearms manufacturers. One such lawsuit was against Remington Arms for the failure of the safety catch on the model 600 rifles. The basis of the suit was that the rifle, when on "safe" and te trigger pulled while in that condition, would discharge when the safety was moved to the "fire" position. Remington recalled the opffending firearms and repaired the defect. Note I said "defect" because that was what it was -- a defect manufactured into the firearm at the factory. That suit, by any standard -- yours or mine included, was a valid suit.

Thank you for your responses to my letters. I do appreciate your time 9in this matter.

Sincerely,

Jim Peel
Kimball, NE
 
His latest reply to my latest reply. Do I detect movement?

His response to the above:

Thanks for your response.

You are right about the negligent entrustment point.
In truth, I cannot imagine how a negligent entrustment
action against a manufacturer could survive a motion to
dismiss.


The reality of the debate over the bill is that it is
designed to stop three kinds of lawsuits--the nuisance
claims, the negligent distribution claims, and the (so
far theoretical) design defect claims based on
prevention of third party use. However, most of the
litigation that anyone cares about falls into one of
those three categories.

So, the bill is sweeping because it does what it is
designed to do--stop most current litigation that
affects the firearms industry.

I think most of the lawsuits the bill would stop are
silly.
But I don't think Congress should be the one to
say that.

YOWSAH! I think the most refreshing thing about this man is that he is willing to participate in a dialogue instead of a hit and run piece like most writers do.
 
Jim,

I'm really impressed. You've done a good job of starting a conversation with him.

I think most of the lawsuits the bill would stop are silly. But I don't think Congress should be the one to say that.

I have a suggestion. You should ask him "why?"

The Commerce Clause is there for a good reason. Just because many people think that it's been stretched to no end in the last 100 years doesn't mean it has no narrow worth that still is legitimate.

The CC exists to stop state and local government from abusing their powers in order to disrupt interstate commerce.

These suits are clear and outright cases of localities and states attempting to disrupt interstate commerce -- indeed, many of the city goverments that are bringing these suits admit that is what they are trying to do, especially when their cases are built on arguments that gun sales in other states are the "problems" they are targeting with the suits.

He acknowledges the suits are "silly." They are designed to disrupt interestate commerce. How can he say this is not a job for Congress (via the Commerce Clause)?
 
cuchulainn

I have concluded my dialogue with him. I thanked him for his responses and told him that I respect the fact that he was willing to have a dialogue. I told him of Tom Diaz, et al, who won't respond at all when challenged with the facts of the matter.

I left him with the knowledge that the latest, and most dangerous, aspect of gun control; that being "smart gun" technology. I reprinted the proposed operation specs of how one of these impossibilities would have to work. I also told him that "smart gun" technology is a Trojan Horse that will design into firearms the flaws and deficiencies that have never been shown to exist by the courts. They will then sue the firearms industry into bankruptcy for manufacturing unsafe firearms to the specifications they demanded that they manufacture them to.

Check and mate.

As for the CC only some of these cases, such as the NAACP case, seek to modify CC through litigation. The rest are just misguided, usually by HCI and their ilk, souls who are hurting, angry, and scared.
 
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