Well, to get the blue label guns you have to be active military, law enforcement, firefighter, ems etc. That said, since new glocks for those people are 399 with 3 mags, I would offer the seller 399 for that one. Its not that good of a deal at 470 etc. I love the glock platform, and honestly if I had the choice atleast in the 9s I'd go with the gen 3 over the gen 4s. I own several of each, and I really like the gen 3 on the 9s much more. The trigger is different, and I dont care who wants to argue that point. Its about 1 lbs heavier on the 4. Get out a scale and measure it if you dont believe me. Breaks right about 6.4 lbs on mine. Where the 3 breaks at 5.5. The only mods I made to my gen 3s was put a lone wolf extended mag release on them and round the edge a tad. I'm not dissapointed in my gen 4 weapons. Its a good weapon though. But I dont think i'd pay over 420 dollars out the door for most glocks. Especially since civillian models atleast in Oregon are 499 new. I seen a earth colored frame 19 today for 500 even. Was pretty cool lookin. If they wont come down go else where. Police trade ins are usualy 389. Look for one of them.