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Using Imperial Sizing Wax

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by lordgroom, Apr 22, 2008.

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  1. lordgroom

    lordgroom Member

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    Going to start relaoding rifle (.223) for an AR-15. I plan to full length re-size first and then use my RCBS X-Die for additional reloading sessions. I have never re-loaded Rifle in the past, only handgun. How is ISW used? I see the directions to tap your finger in the wax and run your finger on the case. Is this correct? Should I be concerned to spread the wax over all of the case? How much attention should I take to completely cover the case? Will the procedure change when I use the X-Die, in other words Do I coat the neck and shoulder when using the X-die?

    Thanks in advance
     
  2. mkl

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    You should cover the entire case with the wax. Then...

    Take a Q-tip get the wax on it and wax the inside of the case mouth.
     
  3. 50 Shooter

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    Don't go crazy with the wax either, you only need to lightly cover the case. If you use to much you can actually crush the case and ruin it, plus all that extra lube will gum up your die.

    As was stated, place a small amount inside the case to ease the expander ball in and out of the case mouth.
     
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    Excellent product and does a great job on reforming cases also. As mentioned before use sparingly...a little goes a long way. :)
     
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    Any ill effects on powder? I have never lubed the inside of my cases.
     
  6. coyotehitman

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    Imperial is a fine product, but Unique is equal to it and costs less. Do not lube the shoulder of the case and do not apply lube excessively, you will dent the shoulder and ruin the case. I use Unique, but the process is the same. Rub your index finger across the lube, hold the brass between the index and thumb just under the shoulder, spin it once, repeat for the neck, rub a q-tip across the lube, spin it inside the neck, resize, wipe off lube, load.

    I am going to experiment with sizing 100 cases, skipping the wipedown, and dropping them into acetone or denatured alcohol to remove lube and any remaining residue in the primer pocket. Acetone dries fast and will remove all the crud and lube.

    Anyone see a problem with that? Will the acetone/DNA harm the brass?
     
  7. LB7_Driver

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    Imperial Size Die wax is an excellent case lube, though I use it for low-volume loading and die set-up only. It takes too long to lube a few hundred cases.

    For higher-volume loading I recommend any of the available spray lubes.
     
  8. snuffy

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    A lube dented neck does NOT RUIN a case. The dents will fire-form out when you pull the trigger. Same goes for dents in the side of a case caused by the case hitting something after being ejected from a SA rifle.

    Everybody is climbing on the imperial bandwagon. It works, but there's better case lube out there. It's also painfully slow to use.
     
  9. Smokey Joe

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    Fine old quote...

    I like what Col. Townsend Whelen had to say abt lubing the inside of the case neck.

    He said that what we want in there is "a suspicion of lube." He reccommended putting a little lube on one's index finger, and drawing it gently across the case mouth on every 5th or 6th case to be sized. That keeps just a tiny bit on the carbide neck sizing ball, which is all that's needed.

    'Course if you're only neck sizing, and using a Lee Collet Neck-Sizing die, then you don't need any case lube at all. No lube, no cleanup, no mess, yippee!
     
  10. cracked butt

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    I disagree about there being better case lubes, I've tried many, and have settled on ISDW. There are lubes that are less messy and faster to apply, but then again no reloading company is losing money by making stuck case removers either.

    I just apply it by spinninng a case between my thumb and first 2 fingers, once around the neck, and once over the case mouth- it only takes about a second and a half to lube a case.
     
  11. strat81

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    I get some on my index, middle, and ring fingers and roll/twirl the case as I pick it up. Once it's in the shellholder, I drag my index finger across the mouth. You can do about 2-4 cases before you need to dip your fingers again. Wipes right off your fingers, feels like Chapstick.

    Never stuck a case with it.
     
  12. coyotehitman

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    I was under the impression that semi auto rifles required FL sizing. I do not think collet dies crimp the bullet in place well either, do they? I believe my collet dies indicate that you should not use them for hunting ammunition or semi auto rifle rounds.
     
  13. lgbloader

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    +1 for Imperial here. I keep it on the base of my T7. I even use it with carbide dies when I am loading certain handgun califber on my Turret. Dillon spray is good, so is One Shot, but Imperial is the best.
     
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    I dab my fingertip and smear it on about 5 cases at a time and roll them in my palm. I never coat inside the case mouth and I don't over do it either.Just a little is needed to lube them up.
     
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    Lubing the WHOLE case???

    That goes against everything I've ever heard, read, seen or done in the two decades-plus I've been reloading.

    And, I'm with Snuffy. Imperial is good, but there are others that work just as well.

    I use Imperial and Lee, but unlike Imperial, I've never had a case stick with Lee. I've had two stick with Imperial, and damn near had a third last week.

    Should I be lubing the entire case--neck, shoulder and all--when using Imperial?

    Jeff
     
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    Collet dies

    Coyote hit man--
    Semis usually do require FL sizing. The collet die is a neck-sizing die, not a bullet seating die, so it has nothing to do with putting a crimp on the case mouth. I use my collet dies for hunting ammo--for my bolt guns--all the time; no ill effects. Never been advised not to. Nor do I crimp any of my rifle ammo, except for M1 Carbine ammo; that gets a taper crimp. (Basically, that's an auto pistol round.)

    I mentioned using a collet die (and therefore no case lube) simply because it's so much less hassle.

    When I FL size rifle cases of course I use case lube, and tumble the cases when sized to clean them off before proceeding to load the cases.

    Sorry if my comment caused confusion.
     
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    With any lube you need to lube everything but the shoulder (keep the lube off the shoulder), its not necessary to do the case mouth but it makes it easier and the expander ball won't stretch the case lengthwise as much when its pulled back out of the mouth. If you are sticking cases with Imperial, you are using it wrong.
     
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    The absolute best stuff there is. Anybody who knows reloading and has tried it knows about it. Not always in stock at my local gun shop. kinda pricey but well worth it. thats the stuff when they have it you buy two of them.
     
  19. Clark

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    I have used Imperial sizing wax on over 10,000 rounds.
    I rub my left hand fore finger in the wax.
    I slather the wax from the finger to the brass.
    The coating can be extremely thin, but should be complete.

    About every 3 to 10 pieces of .223 I need to get some more on my finger.

    If there was enough on the last piece of brass, I can skip coating the next one, as there is still wax in the die.

    However, too little wax and the press gets hard to operate.
    Even less wax and the brass will get stuck in the die.
    You will be sorry.
     
  20. strat81

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    1) $6 is pricey?
    2) Two of them?? I have over 1K rounds on my first tin and I've barely scratched the surface, so to speak. Maybe it's my itty-bitty .223 cases. I guess if I man-up to some .300 Win Mag cases, it might go a little faster. But I'd probably burn out the barrel on the rifle first!
     
  21. ArchAngelCD

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    As for cleanup with Imperial, all you need to do is wash them off with water. Then I put them on a cookie sheet in the over at 150 for about 10 min. That's all it takes...
     
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    I can spary a hundred rounds about that fast.

    For AR brass I would use a spray for my larger cals. I use ISW.

    If I get a bunch of mixed once fired then I use the ISW for AR brass as I sort and inspect I roll it on and throw it in a can. Ready to go then
     
  23. Clark

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    I use Imperial wax as a release agent for glass bedding barreled actions to stocks and scope mounts to receivers.

    [I already have in on my finger.]
     
  24. Roccobro

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    I take it you use a single stage, resize, then wash and dry before loading? I just can't picture me processing .223 by the thousand on my progressive and doing all that jazz. :D

    Justin
     
  25. ArchAngelCD

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    I have a Lee 4 Hole Turret Press which I use as a single stage press when reloading rifle rounds.

    I agree, I wouldn't go through all that jazz if I were reloading .223 rounds either. Since I usually make only between 60 and 100 30-06 rounds at a time, it's not a issue.
     
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