Utah Gov. proposes changes to Utah Concealed Permit law.

[Rugerlvr]

He wants to hinge out-of-staters obtaining a Utah permit on completing the training course IN the state. You would have to visit Utah to take the class. Interesting idea indeed. I can see his point. Let's generate some tax revenue we're not generating by letting the class be taught everywhere. And the bottom line is, while Utah's liberal permit benefits lots and lots of out-of-staters, Utah is not under ANY obligation to them, whatsoever.

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[strat81]

Just increase the cost of the permit, at least for those out of state.

If UT cuts off out of staters, many will just transition to the FL permit. The two are very similar in terms of reciprocity. However, FL is more expensive.

 

[Rugerlvr]

Well, Utah doesn't make any money on the permits as of now. I think in terms of man-hours, it costs some for the state to issue to out-of-staters. So yes, raising the cost of the permit for non-residents might be a simpler option.

 

[Solo Flyer]

Just increase the cost of the permit, at least for those out of state.

If UT cuts off out of staters, many will just transition to the FL permit. The two are very similar in terms of reciprocity. However, FL is more expensive.

Excellent reasoning.The travel distance for the majority of American's would make the cost prohibitive.These people would flock to Florida's CCW.
I'm sure Charlie Bronson and his staff at the Florida Dept. of Agriculture are hoping Utah follows through on the Governor's plans.Current status:
Utah ,$60, plus instructor fee about $100.00
Florida $117.00,no instructor fee.
With Utah ,you add Washington and Minnesota.Thats it.
With travel requirements Utah's non-res will fall to a trickle.

 

[oneounceload]

As someone who now lives in the sauna of the US, a question - years ago I took a CCW class in another state, got the CCW, etc. It expired, (MY fault), but I still have the paperwork showing I took the class and did the range time. It IS about 6 years old. Will I still have to redo a class in FL?

Thanks for any insight

 

[Rugerlvr]

With travel requirements Utah's non-res will fall to a trickle.

As I said, UT doesn't make any money on permits, so the only real effect this would have is that the BCI might get them issued to residents faster.

 

[Solo Flyer]

As I said, UT doesn't make any money on permits, so the only real effect this would have is that the BCI might get them issued to residents faster.

No,no I want one!
Just raise the price where you're making a few bucks and carry on.
And you already got yours.

 

[Rugerlvr]

And you already got yours.

Actually, I don't. I am finally taking the class on the 19th. I have a minor infraction in my past that might disqualify me, but I have it on good authority that if I write a nice letter of contrition, coupled with how long ago it was, I'll most likely get the permit.

 

[shootist2121]

Currently those who teach the Utah CCW course that are out of Utah state MUST go to Salt Lake to renew their Instructor permit for such classes..

Just a heads up.

Be safe

 

[Solo Flyer]

Actually, I don't. I am finally taking the class on the 19th. I have a minor infraction in my past that might disqualify me, but I have it on good authority that if I write a nice letter of contrition, coupled with how long ago it was, I'll most likely get the permit.

Well, best of luck.I'm certain you will get it.You are certainly a good citizen on this forum.

 

[bruss01]

So what about renewals? Thinking of those of us who already have the permit, will renewals still be via mail?

 

[F4GIB]

As I said, UT doesn't make any money on permits, so the only real effect this would have is that the BCI might get them issued to residents faster.

This is INCORRECT.

The Utah state general fund does make money, a lot of money from these fees.

It's the processing agency, the BCI, that is caught in a financial/service crush because the Utah Legislature hasn't (and won't?) appropriate enough money to properly handle the number of permits received. The BCI, however, can't "bite the hand that feeds it -- bad politics."

The attack on out-of-state applicants and instructors is just a sham to cover the fact that the Legislature is spending the money on other projects. There is lots of money AND IT IS BEING SPENT. Just not to benefit those who paid it in.

Neither NRA (which takes all of our dollars) nor the Utah Sportsmens group seem to give a damn about the out-of-staters.

 

[Flintlock Tom]

I would tread lightly, guys, Utah doesn't HAVE to issue out-of-state permits at all.
And having to visit Utah on vacation is no punishment.

 

[Rugerlvr]

I would tread lightly, guys, Utah doesn't HAVE to issue out-of-state permits at all.

This is exactly the point I would like all non-Utahans to note carefully. I'm glad my state is helping out the residents of other states whose government doesn't respect the 2nd Amendment, but as a lifetime Utahan, I will weigh in and say that if there's not enough benefit to Utah, I'm all for restricting it to Utah residents only.

The gov's plan would still extend the privilege of a Utah CWP to non-residents, but they'd have to give a little bit more of themselves to acquire one.

The attack on out-of-state applicants and instructors

How is it an attack to offer Utah CWPs to non-Utah residents? No matter what the restrictions?

 

[CountGlockula]

It's about time.

When I applied my CCW course in UT, I was ready to bring my carry gun with me...but found out that I don't need it. All I got was a lecture and real-life scenario role play and got my CCW application signed off. EASY!!!

My state requires that you show proficient trigger time.

My UT CCW came in the mail in less than two months. I hope there isn't any retroactive stuff.

 

[Steve H]

My state requires that you show proficient trigger time.

A few years back Utah had the same requirement. Too bad they don't now.

 

[Solo Flyer]

A few years back Utah had the same requirement. Too bad they don't now.

Right,we need more restrictions.
Vermont and Alaska are going to hell in a handbasket.The fools there don't even require a permit!
Blood constantly running in the streets!:banghead:

 

[Soybomb]

A few years back Utah had the same requirement. Too bad they don't now.

Why would you be disappointed that there are fewer barriers to concealed carry?

I certainly hope Utah doesn't change, the Utah permit really helps out travelers and people from states that don't issue carry permits at all.

 

[scurtis_34471]

I have a Florida resident license, but I'm thinking about getting a Utah license so I can pick up Washington. I'm also getting a Maine license and might get a Connecticutt license. The combination would give me reciprosity in 38 states, which is about as good as it gets right now.

 

[SaxonPig]

What about me? I took the class in Utah when I lived there in 1996. Now I just renew by mail as an out of state permit holder (moved out of UT in 2001) as the state doesn't require classes for renewals.

I guess that I could keep mine? Maybe this would only apply to new permits?

 

[Aguila Blanca]

If UT cuts off out of staters, many will just transition to the FL permit. The two are very similar in terms of reciprocity. However, FL is more expensive.

Florida wasn't more expensive for me. I had already taken a course for my home state permit, and Florida accepted my existing qualifications. No need to take (and pay for) another class to go over what I already knew.

I agree -- Utah is going to bite the hand that feeds them. The Florida license is good for just about as many states as Utah, and mostly the same states, so people will just get FL instead of UT.

 

[doatactical]

As a Utah CFP Instructor alot of the posts on this board are new to me. I am sure however everyone here has done thery're research before posting anything. I live in Utah and also teach classes in Calif.

 

[RockyMtnTactical]

Why don't we just have reciprocity for every state and that way I can just keep my ONE CCW permit and I won't have to get a Utah permit...

There's an idea!!

Nah, that'd be too simple, not enough hassle...

 

[dmazur]

The more I read about reciprocity and multiple CCW permits, the more I want multiple driver's licenses.

Just think of the novelty! A routine traffic stop would take quite a while, as you sort through them all. An opportunity to buy a larger wallet!

I checked into this, and found out that you're not allowed to have multiple driver's licenses. It seems each state insists you have a driver's license for your state of residency, and forfeit any licenses from previous states.

And, all states honor a license from any other state. What a concept! Just when I was warming up to the idea of multiple driver's licenses, so I could tour the US without hassle. <--- sarcasm smilie

(Existing CCW reciprocity is a step in the right direction, but still far from sane. It seems each state just can't agree that other states have done an identical job of licensing. How about "functionally equivalent" and let it go at that?)

 

[weisse52]

This is INCORRECT.

The Utah state general fund does make money, a lot of money from these fees.

Just curious, can you tell us where you obtain this information from? Do not want to sound snippy, just want to understand.