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  1. LJ-MosinFreak-Buck

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    Okay guys, I didn't know where to really put this, but what the class is essentially giving me is credentials to go and get an Iowa permit to carry a firearm, but what they also say is with the class you can get permits for Utah, Arizona, and a representative of Bass Pro said its also a way to legally carry in 37 states, how does this work? All I'm really trying to do is get it through Iowa at this point in time, but having the option to carry in other states seems pretty appealing.

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  2. Noah

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    Many states have reciprocity with other states for CCWs/CHPs etc. Once you have your Iowa permit in hand, you are good for 37 states.
     
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    What it means is that the class you're taking is also meets the requirements for Utah's non resident permit, which covers states that your Iowa permit does not.
     
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    Alright thanks, I kinda figured but I wanted to make sure.


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    They need to be careful. Utah requires that instructors teach the Utah course as an independent class from others, not interspersing any other rules or laws. They can teach another course before or after the Utah class. They don't want them teaching a general class with a slide at the end with things unique to Utah.

    Last I counted, a Utah non-resident permit is good in 32 states, but as always, do your own homework.
     
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    I've had friends go through the class and said it was well thought out. But I wanted to check with you guys, as I trust the THR opinion a little more.


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    It is also a four hour class, so I imagine they're pretty thorough.


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    Well, the Utah class is required to be four hours. All other training is supposed to me IN ADDITION TO that.
     
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    Hm. Well we'll see how it goes. As far as Iowa, last I seem it just needs to have class credentials if not NRA LE or military.


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    Not necessarily. Some states like my native South Carolina do not honor non-resident permits. Check the laws of any state you would plan on using the Utah permit as they may allow Utah resident permit holders but prohibit non-resident holders.

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  11. LJ-MosinFreak-Buck

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    Well, I talked to the Sheriff's office today, turns out they have a class, and it's cheaper, and it's sooner. I think I'm going to go that direction.

    Thanks all.


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  12. LJ-MosinFreak-Buck

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    Okay, another question. The employee at Bass Pro just told me Open Carry in Iowa is legal. All I know about OC is that it's for professional purposes. Clarify?


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    Check it out

    IF you go to the classes and get a Florida/Utah CCW that is good for 32/37 states = WHERE do you buy a handgun to carry.

    IF your not from a state that allows CCW,as you do not reside in Utah or Fl.

    The catch 22 is that if you get caught using that 'permit' or need to show it,what will be the outcome.

    To get that information,you will need to research ALL states that you will travel in.
     
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    From opencarry.org:

    Summary
    Iowa is not a traditional open carry state, but no permit is required to open carry except when in vehicles or when inside city limits. Open carry in cities is technically legal with an Iowa permit to carry weapons, however Iowa is a may-issue state, and some sheriffs have indicated that they will revoke your permit for open carrying.
     
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    Opencarry.org's Iowa information is outdated. Iowa is now a shall-issue state. The battle over preemption is ongoing, I think; I'm not fully up to date myself as I no longer live in Iowa. Iowa issues a "permit to carry weapons" which does not distinguish between concealed or open carry, but there are some places which may have prohibitions against open carry. I wouldn't do it in Ames unless your lawyer is on speed-dial, for instance.

    The way Legal Heat does things is to teach the Utah class (which also meets the Iowa requirements) with an addendum addressing things that are different in Iowa. I never did get around to getting a Utah permit, as I didn't really need it at the time; I probably should but it was so long ago I'd have to do the class again.

    Your best resource for Iowa information is the Iowa Firearms Coalition: http://www.iowacarry.org/
     
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    I found a thread there that said it was technically legal, with the caveat being the hassle from not-so-enlightened law-enforcement officers.


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    Wouldn't suggest open carry in Iowa. But to answer your question about the class @ Bass Pro, you take the class, which covers the requirements for the Iowa NonProfessional Permit to Carry Weapons AND THEN you can apply for the Utah non resident.

    Directly from the Utah Application:
    "NON-RESIDENT PROOF OF PERMIT
    If you reside in a state that recognizes the validity of the Utah CFP or has reciprocity with Utah, you must obtain a CFP or CCW from your home state and submit a copy of it with your application for a Utah permit. For a list of reciprocal states visit: http://www.publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/FAQother.html Residency will be determined by your state-issued identification. If your state does not recognize the Utah permit this does not apply."

    Since Iowa recognizes Utah's permit, before you can get a non-resident permit you have to have one in Iowa.

    Of course all of this hinges on you being an Iowa resident.
     
  19. LJ-MosinFreak-Buck

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    I'm just gonna take the class through the sheriffs. There's a class this Thursday vs. the 20th, so the wait would be over faster, though I still wait the three weeks, I do get the class done and application submitted sooner. And it's cheaper.


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    If Iowa doesn't have reciprocity with Minnesota yet I would take and get the Utah class and permit if you ever stray up that way. Check some of the other states as well since Iowa is fairly new to the Shall Issue crowd having one of the states with a long list of recognizing states my be of benefit.
     
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    Not really seeing any info about open carry. I intend to conceal anyway, so no consequence there.


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    www.opencarry.org is the place for information on open carry in the different states.

    BTW: They recently updated their individual state's information.

    www.handgunlaw.us is the most informative and up to date for the concealed crowd.
     
  24. LJ-MosinFreak-Buck

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    Just got back from the class. I passed, and gotta wait until the 1st. Open carry is legal, but the sheriffs who instructed the class said it was a magnet for MWAG calls. While not illegal, not entirely a good idea.


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    While I agree with your last statement, I don't really understand the point you're trying to make with the rest of your post.
     
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