utas-usa giving keltec a run for it's money on shotguns?

[dprice3844444]

http://www.utas-usa.com/ i see turkish utas is producing a bullpup 15 shot shotgun similar to the keltec gun.

 

[oneounceload]

Actually, they were producing it BEFORE the Keltec

 

[olderguns]

I never saw the point in the Keltec or this one to me they're both butt ugly,
Plus the guys who don‘t like Glocks should really hate these, if a glock is a 2x4 then these monsters are 6x6s.

 

[CoRoMo]

I only embed this video because it is two things; it is hilarious, and it shows the UTAS to be a steaming pile of feces compared to the KSG.

 

[Hunterdad]

I could only get through 3 minutes. Man, that things a flaming pile

 

[blindhog1964]

I actually own one will tell you it run flawlessly. I have not had one problem from it at all. Most people look at it and think it weigh a ton but it is really only a little over six pounds empty, handles well and not too painful to shoot. I would say the recoil is about on par with my mossberg 500. I have seen the videos on YouTube and will say that every gun maker lets a bad one out every now and then but the one I have works just fine.

 

[Archangel14]

What are these things running, price-wise?

 

[blindhog1964]

I have recently seen prices a little over $950.

 

[Yo Mama]

Actually, they were producing it BEFORE the Keltec

Reference please?

 

[oneounceload]

They based it on the Neostad - the original daddy from South Africa. They had then on their website way before Keltec had it at SHOT

 

[Yo Mama]

^ Thanks. Never heard of the Neostad, very neat history.

 

[oneounceload]

You're welcome. From WIKI, these are other bullpup shotgun designs:

ENARM Pentagun
Franchi mod .410
Heckler & Koch HK CAWS
High Standard Model 10
Kel-Tec KSG
KS-23K
Neostead
Pancor Jackhammer
Steinkamp SW1
UTAS UTS-15

 

[VVelox]

I doubt it.

The UTAS-15 suffers from a major flaw and that is it is a PITA to top off.

 

[blindhog1964]

Topping off could take a little effort but with fifteen rounds of 00 buck is topping off going to be so much of a concern. I mean somewhere in the process of emptying this thing I believe I could find enough time to cram some into it. I just dont see where I would need to.

 

[Fred Fuller]

I just dont see where I would need to.

If you ever run a Rolling Thunder drill, or its real life equivalent (as unlikely as that may be), you might well need to top one up. It would be worth trying/learning, just for the experience. I definitely wouldn't carry one of the twin tube guns out in the real world without subjecting myself to at least a day's worth of the tender ministrations of Louis Awerbuck or someone like him. http://www.yfainc.com/schedule.html

And when I took last year's Shotgun Refresher, a friend was carrying a KelTec to see how well it worked for him. He had a terrible time of it in the class, and not because he can't run a shotgun either. No matter how big a tube magazine (or two) is, it will eventually run dry. Under pressure you might be surprised how fast you can empty a shotgun. When you empty it in a fight, you pretty much have three choices - reload the shotgun, transition to a sidearm (if you have one), or die.

If you let your hardware impose limitations on you, it's gonna cause problems eventually. The only limitation you should have with a shotgun IMHO is how much ammunition you can carry and how fast you can run it through the gun if you have to. How much the gun holds is a minor consideration, all things taken into account, far more important in a fighting shotgun (not so in a range toy of course) is how fast the operator can feed it.

 

[MCgunner]

Got no use for either. I like shotguns that fit, balance, and swing naturally. Capacity over 3 is illegal for what I do with a shotgun.

 

[blindhog1964]

I agree topping off is not optimal with the UTAS or the Kel-Tec. But if I was allowed to load the weapon to capacity at the beginning I could complete the rolling thunder drill with out the need to reload.

 

[VVelox]

Fred Fuller, what was the issue with the Kel-Tec? Not had a chance to handle one personally, but loading it does not appear to be much different from a traditional pump, from what I've seen.

 

[Fred Fuller]

My AAR for the class is posted at http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=676207 (ST&T is a members-only forum, must be logged in to access) and the KT material is included there. That was written just after the fact and my recall was apt to be better then .

 

[backbencher]

That was a funny video. Would like to know if they fed it different shells; my 870 is particular about brands.

 

[blindhog1964]

Here is another video of the UTAS UTS15
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=A_o3YsUVAyQ&desktop_uri=/watch?v=A_o3YsUVAyQ

 

[boricua9mm]

I only embed this video because it is two things; it is hilarious, and it shows the UTAS to be a steaming pile of feces compared to the KSG.

I wouldn't be so quick to tout that guy as a good litmus test for much of anything. After all, he reviewed a SIG 1911 and since he was having trouble with an aftermarket 10 rounder, he declared the gun a POS. Likewise he "reviewed" an MKE MP5 clone, fired it from a rifleman's stance and then complained that the A3 stock's LOP was too short. That guy simply doesn't know what he doesn't know.

One glaring problem to me is the ammo he's using. Those Federal bulk rounds have very soft aluminum bases. I have had several of those shells get stuck in my Mossberg 500 because the aluminum gave way to the extractors and let them slide right on by, leaving the hulls with chewed up bases stuck in the chamber. That's a real fun one to clear in a competitive setting. Those same rounds do fine in my Benelli M1S90, but that shotgun doesn't have the dual extractor setup and it isn't manually cycled.

"Nutnfancy's having trouble with it, it must be a POS" is a laughable deduction. Nonetheless I have no need for a video game shotgun either.

 

[Kabal]

I actually own one will tell you it run flawlessly. I have not had one problem from it at all. Most people look at it and think it weigh a ton but it is really only a little over six pounds empty, handles well and not too painful to shoot. I would say the recoil is about on par with my mossberg 500. I have seen the videos on YouTube and will say that every gun maker lets a bad one out every now and then but the one I have works just fine.

UTAS seems to have let out more than just a few lemons. According to nutnfancy's UTS-15 review (not the raw video someone embedded here), the gun was sent back to service and still jammed when he got it back. The mag selector broke again, too.

Also, there are lots of other videos that show the gun jamming. FPSRussia broke two UTS-15s within minutes while shooting one of his videos, and the third one also had some malfunctions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a050T2wFKAY

I know FPSRussia is no serious gun reviewer, but he doesn't seem to abuse the guns in his vid in any way.

Actually, the video by hickok45 is the only one I've seen so far of someone shooting more than a couple of rounds with an UTS-15 without a jam.

Nice to hear you got a good one, though!

 

[oneounceload]

^^ A friend of mine is a gun writer as well. He received the (then) new Ithaca 37 for review - it took them 3 tries to get him a gun that worked - that was mentioned in his review; so it isn't limited to just the Turkish guns

 

[lobo9er]

Funny or sad or wierd or something is the KSG and this is LEGAL in NY because its technically 2 - separate 7 round mags. Proof that laws beyond the basics are not needed.