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Alright, The wife and I have been talking about carbines, and after some looking around, the only Carbine that really grabs me and that we could afford even mildly realistically is the following:
I would want an UZI, which is a pistol, but in the only military configuration I have ever seen, which means with a slightly longer barrel and barrel guard as well as a full wooden shoulder stock.

So, here's my question, seeing as the UZI is a pistol, would adding a stock making it an SBR? What are the legalities of this?
 
I believe what you describe is the Uzi Carbine, with the shoulder stock and a barrel slightly longer than 16 inches - not an SBR.
 
9# + 2 #'S FOR MAG FOR A HEAVYWEIGHT FIRING 9 mm PISTOL BULLETS.
IT LOOK CUTE BUT IT IS A HORRIBLE WASTER OF AMMO.
THE COP ARE ALWAYS ON YOUR TAIL WHEN YOU HAVE ONE.
ALL THEY ARE IS A HEAVY HANDGUN.
THE ONLY THING I GOT OUT OF MINE WAS A FORTUNE SPENT ON AMMO SO THE KIDS COULD PLAY WAR GAMES AT THE TARGET RANGE.
THE ONE GOOD THING I GOT OUT OF IT WAS WHEN I SOLD IT WITH A UZI CASE WITH 2 BARRELS & 4 32 ROUND MAG. i MADE OUT LIKE A BANDIT $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
MY KIDS WERE MAD AS HELL BUT I HAD A BELLYFUL OF RELOADING FOR THAT THING.
In MI AN uzi HAS TO BE REGISTERED AS A HANDGUN & THE LAST i SAW HAD TO HAVE A 19" BARREL--WELL NO ONE MAKES A 19" barrel--get the idea. Also: a folding stock has to be welded open.
In other words---they don't want you to have an UZI
 
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Glad I'm in Oregon then. 8) Also I don't think I'd want the full auto version. I like reloading, but not that much.

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Alright, so to clarify, I am looking for 26 inch OAL with stock extended (being that I want a solid stock, that's kind of a moot point) uzi semi-auto carbine? That is perfectly clear, no expensive paperwork, etc?
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My UZI was semi-auto.. It would empty a 32 round mag in less than 4 seconds---you don't think that is an ammo waster ! ! ! !
 
Sure but I don't *have* to empty it that fast. I can empty my mag on my handguns as well ... but I just don't do it entirely too often. 8)
 
When you have your hands on an UZI--you will find it is very boring shooting slow fire.
It is the kind of gun that wants to make you blast everything---you have to own one to feel what I am saying.
 
With the 16.25" barrel, they are surprisingly accurate at 50 yards or so, and have very little kick, due to their weight. I like the wood stock better than the metal one, it doesn't catch my whiskers.
 
Nushif,

Yes, there are plenty of "Title I" semi-auto Uzi carbines around. They're a little heavy and expensive compared to many other 9mm carbines that do, essentially, exactly the same thing (Kel Tec Sub-2000, Hi-Point 995 at the low end, also Ruger PC9 or Beretta CX4 Storm) but there's no reason you can't shoot them and enjoy them just like any other small rifle. Very few states have any oddball laws that specially regulate them.
 
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In MI AN uzi HAS TO BE REGISTERED AS A HANDGUN & THE LAST i SAW HAD TO HAVE A 19" BARREL--WELL NO ONE MAKES A 19" barrel--get the idea.
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Michgian follows the Federal law saying that any rifle must have a 16" barrel and be 26" in overall length, and any shotgun must have an 18" barrel and be 26" in overall length.

Michigan also says if said rifle or shotgun is less than 30" overall length, then it is classified and registered as a pistol. I have a .410 Snake Charmer shotgun that has to be registered as a pistol in MI.
 
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So, here's my question, seeing as the UZI is a pistol, would adding a stock making it an SBR? What are the legalities of this?
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Adding a stock to an Uzi pistol requires a tax stamp because Uzi pistols have barrels less than 16 inches long. Not sure why some are saying it's OK to do.

Barrel length at least 16 inches AND overall length at least 26. Not either or, but both. Anything less is an SBR. An Uzi pistol 30 inches long but with a 12 inch barrel would still be an SBR.

The term ''short-barreled rifle'' means a rifle having one or more barrels less than sixteen inches in length and any weapon made from a rifle (whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise) if such weapon, as modified, has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches.
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You do get to measure overall length with the stock fully extended, if it's a folding stock.
 
It is the kind of gun that wants to make you blast everything---you have to own one to feel what I am saying.
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I own one, but it does not make me want to blast everything. Like any other firearm I own, it can be fun to see how quickly I can lay down fire on target. To me, that's not blasting everything: it's practicing. YMMV

Mine is an Uzi B carbine, folding stock. Here in MA. It is not a pistol. There are no cops following me around. I have a short "dummy barrel" if I want to show it to folks and have it look "cool." If I had a true short barrel, I'd need the right NFA/ATF paperwork.

I have had the opportunity to also buy Uzi pistols: semiauto micro-Uzis without the stock. And mini-Uzi carbines, too. I've passed, because, the micros, unless they have the stock, are full-auto, and have papers, are just heavy pistols; and the mini-carbines, well, look sillier than the carbines. Even though, because of importation restrictions, they are all now collectibles.

To each his own.
 
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In the USA there are two common semi-autio Uzi's; the carbine with a 16" barrel and a stock (usually the folding metal one). And the pistol, which doesn't have a stock. Shortening the barrel on the carbine OR putting a stock on the pistol make either an SBR which requires ATF paperwork and a $200 tax stamp. Since you say you want a carbine then buy one in the carbine configuration with a 16" or longer barrel and you're good to go. It is considered a longarm like any other rifle.
 
OK, I live in MI. Here's the deal. In MI the UZI with the folding stock and 16" barrel is 24.5" with the stock folded. MI law says this configuration is considered a short barreled rifle (SBR) and thus illegal to own per attorny general opinion. In MI a rifle with a folder must not exceed 26" with the stock in the folded position. So if you want to legally own an UZI in MI there are three ways that I know of to do this. 1) Get the folder and add the 18" barrel, this will make the folded length 26.5" and thus legal to own. 2) Go with the 16" barrel and fixed stock (that's what I did) It might not "look" as cool, but let me tell you that it's much more comfortable to shoot with the fixed stock. And finally 3) get yourself a class III and you can legally own a transferable full auto UZI in MI. Those are your options as I know them, unless something has changed within the past year or so that I don't know about. Good Luck

These are notes I found on UZI TALK
 
The OP lives in OREGON, not Michigan.

And, if he wants a full-auto and/or short barrel one, he doesn't have to get a "Class III". SOT Class 03 is the tax a dealer pays to SELL Title II firearms. All he has to do is fill out and send in the ATF Form 4 (and $200, and assorted other paperwork) to register the weapon in the NFA registry.
 
And, luckily for the OP, in Oregon you can own pretty much anything as compared to us northern neighbors who can only have, and finally use, suppressors.
 
Kel Tec Sub-2000, Hi-Point 995 at the low end, also Ruger PC9 or Beretta CX4 Storm
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This is the list of similar carbines, and I have actually looked at some of these, while others I have not. Here's my rationale.

The CX4 ... I like it, but the first thing I would have a gunsmith do, or do myself is remove one part (the funny bar between the grip and stock) of it, which I suspect bumps the price right up there with an UZI.

But lemme look at some of the others, if they're just as nice, why not, right? The Hi Point I did look at but I just don't like the design of 'em. Whoever created that mold has entirely different aesthetics than me.
 
If you're looking at other 9mm carbines...

I used to own a CX4. Very cool gun, lousy trigger.

Kel Tec Sub-2000 is cool in terms of folding and price. Hard to beat.

I have an Olympic Arms K9-GL. AR-style weapon with a lower receiver specifically made to take Glock 9mm magazines. I really like this carbine. Bigger than the Kel Tec and more expensive. See comparison pic:

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