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VA CCW list published by Roanoke Times 3/11

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  1. Brad Johnson

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    I so dearly hope it wasn't one of our number that was dumb enough to leave that box. It would be an affirmation of his assertion that gun owners are terrorists, not to mention how much mileage the anti crowd would no doubt get from it.
    Brad
     
  2. Mongo the Mutterer

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    Hello, It came through DHL. Although I am unfamiliar with them, they probably have a tracking system like UPS. Should find out who sent it easy enough..

    Maybe the little s***stain sent it to himself for more publicity.
     
  3. Shovelhead

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    I wouldn't put it past him to mail himself a package, to try to put a "spin" on the situation,
    and make him look like a victim of the bad gun owners.:scrutiny:
     
  4. Mazeman

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    I also personally disagree with anyone messing with the guy' s home by placing/sending a box there. To reassure Mr. Trejbal, at least he chose a demographic (CCW folks) to mess with that are some of the most law-abiding people around. I'm sure the box is a nothing, but I understand his fear.

    Again, I don't approve of such tactics. But too bad he didn't understand the *real* fear that some stalked CCW permit holders may have, before he ever printed his article.
     
  5. Robert Hairless

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    Although I don't agree with the way they implemented it, I do believe that Christian Trejbal, the Roanoke Times, and their owner Landmark Communications had a great idea about the need for sunshine on information in public records.

    The trouble is that they focused the sunshine on the lives of little people, who don't want it. Ordinary people usually want to live their lives without being spotlighted by the media. They are not politicians, legislators, publishers, or even owners of big businesses who employ others. Those are the big people and they tend to do bigger things that deserve as much sunshine as possible. There's nothing wrong with sunshine for such people and much to be said for it.

    Here are the key executives of Landmark Communications, the conglomerate that owns the Roanoke Times and has the policy of spreading sunshine on people's private lives. How much personal information can you find out about them in public records? For starters, what are their home addresses and telephone numbers (including cell phone numbers)? But anything you learn about any of them from public records should be distributed widely. The reason it should be distributed widely is that it can be distributed widely, and that's a darned good reason for doing it. If you learn of any property these people own, everyone needs to know. Auto licenses are good too. It's all good, because it's in public records. If they have had any messy divorces and the transcripts are available, that would be interesting as well as good. Don't invade their privacy, though: stick with public records only. And keep in mind that they don't want to be bothered by solicitations: their web site says so. They just don't mind bothering ordinary people, not that there's anything wrong with that.

    Here is their corporate contact information:

    Landmark Communications, Inc.
    150 W. Brambleton Avenue
    Norfolk, Virginia 23510-2075

    Mail Address:
    Landmark Communications, Inc.
    P.O. Box 449
    Norfolk, Virginia 23501-0449

    Phone and Fax Numbers:
    (757) 446-2010 Phone
    (800) 446-2004 Toll Free
    (757) 446-2489 Fax
    (757) 446-2985 HR & Finance Fax​

    And here they are, the people who brought you Christian J. Trejbal and the Roanoke Times:

    Michael Alston, President, Landmark Interactive

    Decker Anstrom, President and Chief Operating Officer

    Richard F. Barry III, Vice Chairman

    Frank Batten Jr., Chairman of the Board and CEO

    Frank Batten Sr., Retired Chairman and CEO

    Teresa F. Blevins, Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer

    R. Bruce Bradley, Executive Vice President and President, Landmark Publishing Group, and Publisher, The Virginian-Pilot

    Guy Friddell III, Executive Vice President, Corporate Secretary and General Counsel

    Charlie Hill, Executive Vice President, Human Resources

    Colleen R. Pittman, Vice President, Tax, Audit and Analysis

    Debora Wilson, President, The Weather Channel Companies​
     
  6. Shooting Ace

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    It's probably just a cry for attention. Not that I would ever wish anything bad to actually happen to him but I do hope that he is loosing sleep thinking that something might. Obviously he's gotten a little paranoid. :evil:
     
  7. antichrome

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    I thought............

    I thought THEY said their little write-up was NOT about firearms or CCW but rather about Sunshine Week, open records etc. So which is it?

    ........."A state police bomb squad is at Roanoke Times editorial writer Christian Trejbal's house in Christiansburg after Trejbal, who attracted a deluge of criticism with a Sunday column about concealed carry firearms permits, found a mysterious package during a lunch-time trip home."............

    Dayum, I sure hate to have to go back and re-read this whole thread again just to see if my comprehension skills have slipped.

    ~ac
     
  8. hugh damright

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    Yep. Trejbal is the worst kind of carpetbagger ... the kind that comes down here and makes a living attacking our culture. And the Roanoke Times makes it possible.

    I have remained quiet until today, and I sent them them a letter with just one sentence saying that I think the least they should do is (1) apologize and (2) fire Trejbal.
     
  9. Robert Hairless

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    Brad Johnson:

    No. It would show that whoever did it is a lunatic and probably is not stable enough to own a firearm. He is not one of our number and never will be: he might be one of your number but he is not one of my number. If he is one of your number, I most certainly am not and won't be. I am not a lunatic and won't be part of a lunatic group.

    Why do you people feel compelled to defend against an accusation that you yourselves generate? Are you committed to creating as much trouble as possible so you can justify a feeling that everyone is out to get you?

    Let it go before you all create more unnecessary harm.
     
  10. JLStorm

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    Hopefully we can have him even more "on edge" if we make sure his employment is terminated and he has to find a new job :)
     
  11. Creeping Incrementalism

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    There is an error in her article:

    [Emphasis added]

    It wasn't just one part of Virginia, it was the entire state database.
     
  12. Shooting Ace

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    Shooting Ace:

    Do you have any evidence for saying that Christian Trejbal "probably sent them to himself for more publicity" or do you think that there's some value in clouding the issue and making gun owners look like nasty little people?

    They already look like people who believe that another gun owner would send someone a fake bomb.

    Is this a contest to see how much worse gun owners can make themselves look and how much trouble they can create for themselves?
     
  14. Goaltender66

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    You know...

    I noticed Roanoke.com has a privacy policy:

    http://www.roanoke.com/newsservices/wb/xp-59616

    In it there are terms and conditions for people who submit content. One of those conditions is:
    Pity Trejbal and the editorial board of this paper can't be bothered to abide by the terms they demand from everyone else....


    Another nugget from their privacy policy:

    I don't believe they got my advance permission before they disclosed my personal information on their website.....
     
  15. Brad Johnson

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    Huh? :confused:

    Brad
     
  16. Mongo the Mutterer

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    Follow up story


    What kind of threats? Has he reported them to police?
    Do you think he is trying to gain sympathy so he doesn't get the axe at the paper???

    I hope this slime enjoys his 15 seconds of fame.
     
  17. redsaber75

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    Trejbal strikes me as one of those types who couldn't hack it as a writer in NYC or wherever he is from so he comes down here to feel like a big fish in a little pond.
     
  18. hugh damright

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    What if, instead of gun owners, it was a list of Jews?

    Today is the start of Sunshine Week, the annual week in which we reflect on the importance of open government and public records. To mark the occasion, I want to take you on an excursion into freedom of information land. We're going to find out who in the New River Valley [is a Jew].

    I can hear the shocked indignation of [Jews] already: It's nobody's business but mine if I am [Jewish].

    ...

    There are good reasons the records are open to public scrutiny. People might like to know if their neighbors [are Jews]. Parents might like to know if a member of the car pool [is a Jew]. Employers might like to know if employees are [Jews].

    ...

    This is not about being for or against [Judaism] ...
     
  19. Shooting Ace

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    Do I have any evidence...No. I didn't make the statement that he did that, I made the statement that he probably did that. I am simply making the statement that I think Trejbal is not above creating a stunt like this to further his cause and then blame gun owners. By making that statement I am saying that I do not believe that it was a gun owner who sent him a package. The fact that his neighbor said that a DHL truck dropped off the box, and to quote "I saw him opening it up and looking in it" and then called the police makes me think it was a Trejbal stunt. I don't know about you but if it was me and I thought it might be a bomb for real I wouldn't go near it before I called the police. He probably wasn't counting on his neighbor watching the entire thing. I am sorry but I don't see how my pointing out that I think this was nothing but another Trejbal stunt makes me a "nasty little person". Does the fact that I don't like him publishing my address make me a nastly little person too?
     
  20. Mongo the Mutterer

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    I would suggest some LEOs speak with Wendy Parmalee and find out exactly what the procedure is, and who requested the forms sent. I will bet the trail will end at a familiar place. If it was our hero who requested the forms and envelopes, I would suggest he be arrested for being a public nuisance as well as tying up the LEO who came upon his request.
     
  21. 98C5

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    Nevermind

    It looks like this guy is running scared now.
     
  22. gengarnett

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    jump to conclusions much?

    a lot of jumping to conclusions on this page. Actually it is likely this was a normal package, an interview with rep from the carrier said "it seemed like a box sent to new customers". The point is, all we know is this guy got some mail, that is it. Would you call a bomb squad if someone sent you some mail?

    And this talk about this incident could "prove gun owners are terrorists" is trollish in the extreme. One person doing anything wrong proves nothing about any group. You can not argue from the specific to the general, it is illogical.
     
  23. Shovelhead

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    The R.T. website is probably getting more 'Net hits per day than they EVER could with a "normal" story. :rolleyes:

    Net hits = $$$ from advertisers
     
  24. gengarnett

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    This has been said this before

    what is your point? do you think it would be better if we ignored them and let them keep the database?
     
  25. Shovelhead

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    Definately NOT.......My name & address was there too. :fire:

    But the thousands of gun owners hitting their site every hour for updates has got to have plastered BIG smiles on their faces. :banghead:
     
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