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Found this article, and found it very disconcerting that reporters can get a full list of CCW'ers in a state. Anybody know if this is common practice everwhere?
"The Times-Dispatch did ask the Virginia State Police to provide a list of everyone in Virginia with a concealed-weapon permit as of last week. That would be 125,020 people, according to the list."
http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD/MGArticle/RTD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1137834039859
Lawmakers explain gun views
14 have permits; they differ on bringing weapons to Capitol
BY GORDON HICKEY AND PAMELA STALLSMITH
TIMES-DISPATCH STAFF WRITERS Feb 12, 2006
Check our General Assembly 2006 site daily for updates, photos and a preview of this year's session.
Virginia Politics Blog
Though the law allows any member of the General Assembly to pack a firearm in the state Capitol, few members take advantage of that rule.
Under the rules, any state senator or delegate could strap on a sidearm and stroll in, according to Capitol Police Maj. Mike Jones. They have the same rights as law-enforcement officers to openly carry a gun in the Capitol.
But if they want to bring in a concealed weapon, they must have a concealed-weapon permit just like anyone else, Jones said.
Regular citizens, though, must have a concealed-weapon permit to bring in a gun, either concealed or openly.
So, do the Capitol Police know who in the General Assembly has a permit? "We don't know because we don't ask," Jones said.
The Times-Dispatch did ask the Virginia State Police to provide a list of everyone in Virginia with a concealed-weapon permit as of last week. That would be 125,020 people, according to the list.
Scanning that list turned up 14 legislators with carry permits. They are Dels. Kenneth C. Alexander, D-Norfolk; Charles W. Carrico Sr., R-Grayson; John A. Cosgrove, R-Chesapeake; C. Todd Gilbert, R-Shenandoah; Algie T. Howell, D-Norfolk; Robert Hurt, R-Pittsylvania; Johnny S. Joannou, D-Portsmouth; S. Chris Jones, R-Suffolk; L. Scott Lingamfelter, R-Prince William; Harry J. Parrish, R-Manassas; John. S. Reid, R-Henrico; Lionell Spruill Sr., D-Chesapeake; and R. Lee Ware Jr., R-Powhatan; and Sen. Frederick M. Quayle, R-Chesapeake.
The most well-known these days is Reid, whose gun fired the infamous shot heard around Capitol Square two weeks ago. The bullet, discharged, he said, while he was unloading his gun in his office, hit a bullet-resistant vest hanging on his office door. No one was hit.
He said he no longer carries a handgun into the General Assembly Building, though "it's fair to say I have access to it in my car."
He learned from his accident that handling a gun is never routine.
"No matter how many times you do it, you need to realize it's a different incident each time. You shouldn't treat it as a routine thing to do. That lesson certainly has sunk in to me."
Ware has had a concealed gun permit for about 10 years.
He has a .38-caliber Smith & Wesson.
"I carry it if I am concerned about where I am traveling," he said, adding he has brought it to Capitol Square.
"Anybody who has that permit thinks very serious about what he is doing. You know you are undertaking a serious responsibility. I hope I never have to use it or even display it."
Quayle has had a permit for 15 to 20 years, first obtaining it from a circuit judge and then, when the law changed during the Allen administration, through the circuit court clerk.
Quayle owns a Colt .32-caliber revolver. The gun currently is stored at home.
Quayle said he sought the permit for safety: "My office in Chesapeake is in sort of an isolated spot, on the edge of neighborhoods that are not the best."
"I see absolutely no need to carry a concealed weapon in the Capitol," he said. As for legislators who do, "maybe you get used to having it on you, like putting on your undershirt."
Gilbert obtained his first concealed-carry permit in 1997, when he was working as a prosecutor in Lynchburg.
"I've never been threatened," said Gilbert, now an assistant commonwealth's attorney in Warren County, adding "it's better safe than sorry." He carries a .22-caliber semiautomatic and a .40-caliber mini Glock.
"I don't carry regularly though I certainly believe I should have the right to do so and certainly do on occasion when I feel it might be appropriate."
He said he has carried a concealed handgun in Richmond, though he has never brought it into the General Assembly Building.
Carrico, a retired state trooper, carries a lifetime state permit by virtue of having served for more than 15 years with the Virginia State Police.
He usually carries a .380-caliber Sig Sauer, though he also owns 9 mm and .357-caliber Sig Sauers, all of which are semi-automatics. He carries every day.
"For me it's safer with me than away from me. Why do I carry period? After 15 years in law enforcement you have arrested so many people. I wouldn't know them if they walked up to me on the street," he said. "I just carry it for my protection and my family's protection."
He's never had to use it. "But it's nice to know it's there and I know how to use it."
Lingamfelter said he has a concealed-weapon permit because he has always carried a gun. "I don't have a permit because it's cool; I don't have a permit because it's political; I have a permit because it's the pattern of my life."
He is a veteran who served 28 years in the Army and started shooting when he was a boy.
He also said that if a person is going to a carry a gun, he should have a concealed-weapon permit. For example, he said, a woman who is packing a gun openly in a holster would be breaking the law if she put the gun in a glove box in her car; if she had a concealed-weapon permit she could put the gun away legally almost anywhere nearby.
But does Lingamfelter bring his gun to the Capitol?
"I never answer that for anybody. . . . That's for me to know and for people who assault me to find out."
Contact staff writer Gordon Hickey at [email protected] or (804) 649-6449.
Contact staff writer Pamela Stallsmith at [email protected] or (804) 649-6746.
Staff writer Jeff E. Schapiro contributed to this report.
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"The Times-Dispatch did ask the Virginia State Police to provide a list of everyone in Virginia with a concealed-weapon permit as of last week. That would be 125,020 people, according to the list."
http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD/MGArticle/RTD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1137834039859
Lawmakers explain gun views
14 have permits; they differ on bringing weapons to Capitol
BY GORDON HICKEY AND PAMELA STALLSMITH
TIMES-DISPATCH STAFF WRITERS Feb 12, 2006
Check our General Assembly 2006 site daily for updates, photos and a preview of this year's session.
Virginia Politics Blog
Though the law allows any member of the General Assembly to pack a firearm in the state Capitol, few members take advantage of that rule.
Under the rules, any state senator or delegate could strap on a sidearm and stroll in, according to Capitol Police Maj. Mike Jones. They have the same rights as law-enforcement officers to openly carry a gun in the Capitol.
But if they want to bring in a concealed weapon, they must have a concealed-weapon permit just like anyone else, Jones said.
Regular citizens, though, must have a concealed-weapon permit to bring in a gun, either concealed or openly.
So, do the Capitol Police know who in the General Assembly has a permit? "We don't know because we don't ask," Jones said.
The Times-Dispatch did ask the Virginia State Police to provide a list of everyone in Virginia with a concealed-weapon permit as of last week. That would be 125,020 people, according to the list.
Scanning that list turned up 14 legislators with carry permits. They are Dels. Kenneth C. Alexander, D-Norfolk; Charles W. Carrico Sr., R-Grayson; John A. Cosgrove, R-Chesapeake; C. Todd Gilbert, R-Shenandoah; Algie T. Howell, D-Norfolk; Robert Hurt, R-Pittsylvania; Johnny S. Joannou, D-Portsmouth; S. Chris Jones, R-Suffolk; L. Scott Lingamfelter, R-Prince William; Harry J. Parrish, R-Manassas; John. S. Reid, R-Henrico; Lionell Spruill Sr., D-Chesapeake; and R. Lee Ware Jr., R-Powhatan; and Sen. Frederick M. Quayle, R-Chesapeake.
The most well-known these days is Reid, whose gun fired the infamous shot heard around Capitol Square two weeks ago. The bullet, discharged, he said, while he was unloading his gun in his office, hit a bullet-resistant vest hanging on his office door. No one was hit.
He said he no longer carries a handgun into the General Assembly Building, though "it's fair to say I have access to it in my car."
He learned from his accident that handling a gun is never routine.
"No matter how many times you do it, you need to realize it's a different incident each time. You shouldn't treat it as a routine thing to do. That lesson certainly has sunk in to me."
Ware has had a concealed gun permit for about 10 years.
He has a .38-caliber Smith & Wesson.
"I carry it if I am concerned about where I am traveling," he said, adding he has brought it to Capitol Square.
"Anybody who has that permit thinks very serious about what he is doing. You know you are undertaking a serious responsibility. I hope I never have to use it or even display it."
Quayle has had a permit for 15 to 20 years, first obtaining it from a circuit judge and then, when the law changed during the Allen administration, through the circuit court clerk.
Quayle owns a Colt .32-caliber revolver. The gun currently is stored at home.
Quayle said he sought the permit for safety: "My office in Chesapeake is in sort of an isolated spot, on the edge of neighborhoods that are not the best."
"I see absolutely no need to carry a concealed weapon in the Capitol," he said. As for legislators who do, "maybe you get used to having it on you, like putting on your undershirt."
Gilbert obtained his first concealed-carry permit in 1997, when he was working as a prosecutor in Lynchburg.
"I've never been threatened," said Gilbert, now an assistant commonwealth's attorney in Warren County, adding "it's better safe than sorry." He carries a .22-caliber semiautomatic and a .40-caliber mini Glock.
"I don't carry regularly though I certainly believe I should have the right to do so and certainly do on occasion when I feel it might be appropriate."
He said he has carried a concealed handgun in Richmond, though he has never brought it into the General Assembly Building.
Carrico, a retired state trooper, carries a lifetime state permit by virtue of having served for more than 15 years with the Virginia State Police.
He usually carries a .380-caliber Sig Sauer, though he also owns 9 mm and .357-caliber Sig Sauers, all of which are semi-automatics. He carries every day.
"For me it's safer with me than away from me. Why do I carry period? After 15 years in law enforcement you have arrested so many people. I wouldn't know them if they walked up to me on the street," he said. "I just carry it for my protection and my family's protection."
He's never had to use it. "But it's nice to know it's there and I know how to use it."
Lingamfelter said he has a concealed-weapon permit because he has always carried a gun. "I don't have a permit because it's cool; I don't have a permit because it's political; I have a permit because it's the pattern of my life."
He is a veteran who served 28 years in the Army and started shooting when he was a boy.
He also said that if a person is going to a carry a gun, he should have a concealed-weapon permit. For example, he said, a woman who is packing a gun openly in a holster would be breaking the law if she put the gun in a glove box in her car; if she had a concealed-weapon permit she could put the gun away legally almost anywhere nearby.
But does Lingamfelter bring his gun to the Capitol?
"I never answer that for anybody. . . . That's for me to know and for people who assault me to find out."
Contact staff writer Gordon Hickey at [email protected] or (804) 649-6449.
Contact staff writer Pamela Stallsmith at [email protected] or (804) 649-6746.
Staff writer Jeff E. Schapiro contributed to this report.
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