(VA) NRA-endorsed Republican smears "extremist" gun owners

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Incumbent Delegate Jack Rollison doesn't seem to handle competition very well. Ever since gun-rights supporter Jeff Frederick decided to challenge him in the Republican primary for the 52nd Virginia House of Delegates district, the supposedly "pro-gun" Rollison has shown his true colors. First he placed this statement on his web site:
Gun Owners of America and the Virginia Citizens Defense League have endorsed Frederick. These extremist and milita-esque organizations are working to end Virginia's common-sense ban against carrying a concealed weapon into a bar. "With his extremist supporters and radical views on guns in bars, Frederick's is out of touch with our Prince William County family community," said Rollison.
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Then, he sent the following flyer to his constituents:

http://www.vcdl.org/new/rollison.html

:fire:

The NRA, in its infinite wisdom, has endorsed Rollison, calling him a "fellow freedom fighter". :scrutiny: Read about it here: http://keepandbeararms.com/information/Item.asp?ID=3590


I really wish I was in the right district to vote against this RINO.
 
some seems to be spending some money on the "issue"

whenever i hear "common sense" and "gun control" in the same sentence,
my eyes glaze over and i see Andrew McKelvey laughing
 
Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.

-Barry Goldwater
 
It's a real tangled mess here, with some pro-gun Delegates endorsing Rollison, others not. Lots of old-fashioned Virginia politickin' going on behind the scenes. But there are some 5,000 of us VCDL/GOA members that don't appreciate being called extremists and painted as irresponsible gun-toting radicals by Rolly. He may have cut his own throat politically by declaring war on VCDL and GOA. Let us hope so.

As to the NRA's "A" ratings, well :barf:

TC
TFL Survivor
:fire:
 
Considering some of their endorsements lately, just who IS running the NRA? ? ?

Sarah Brady ? ? ? Jush Sugarman ? ? ? The VPC? ? ?
 
I've noticed that if the choice comes down to a marginally progun incumbent vs. a true progun opponent the NRA will usually go with whoever they have the most money invested in (incumbent) rather than someone whos stated purpose is to fight for the 2nd A.

Greg
 
republican primary is next week! anyone in the 52nd needs to get out there... you don't have to be a member of the republican party, or a registered republican (virginia doesn't register party members anyways), all you have to do is not vote in any other party's primary that year.

where is the 52nd district? is that woodbridge?
 
GOA and VCDL are extremist groups compared to the general populace. Its definitely true, although not in the evil shoot-an-abortionist right-wing extremist sense. Extremism is not necessarily a bad thing where rights are concerned. Militia? No not really.

Frankly the bills he voted for were bills that restricted drinking alcohol and carrying a handgun. On principle many people have trouble with that because it is a gun control bill/amendment. That equals bad in lots of 2A folks minds.

In specific, though, you shouldn't drink and carry. Its like drinking while driving. It's never a good idea. Provided these weren't "you cannot carry in any business that sells any amount of alcohol" laws (i.e. you cannot carry in any restaurant other than McDonalds laws) I wouldn't really have a problem with this. I would place laws like this in the constitutional equivalent of laws regarding yelling fire in a crowded theater or inciting a riot.
 
Mmmmmm. Beer AND a 1911. Good pictures, bad flyer.

He really said "milita-esque?" How 90s! :rolleyes:
 
I live in this district and have a CCW. I also belong to GOA as well as NRA. I really don't appreciate Rollison lumping me in with radicals and extremists. Tell me, you political hack, what is 'extreme' about desiring to protect myself from criminal scum? Do you suppose that a murderous thug is going to obey your cute little law about not carrying where alcohol is served?

I can see not allowing CCW in a bar, but in Fridays or Ruby Tuesday?

Like most CCW holders, I take my responsibility seriously. I am certainly not going to carry if I am drinking.

I think the other guy has my vote.
 
"Provided these weren't "you cannot carry in any business that sells any amount of alcohol" laws (i.e. you cannot carry in any restaurant other than McDonalds laws)"
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That IS the issue here. VA has a truly moronic law that says I cannot carry concealed in ANY establishment that serves booze. That eliminates about 90 percent of restaurants.

Criminals carry wherever they please. They break the law. CCW holders are mostly responsible adults. This is a BS law that should be repealed.
 
MrAcheson,

As Partisan states, presently in the Ol' Dominion, a CHL-holder is forbidden from carrying his firearm into any restaurant that serves alcohol. That includes Outback Steakhouse, Ruby Tuesday's, Applebea's, etc. etc.

Irony being what it is, it is perfectly legal in most of the state to patronize these same establishments carrying openly.

Phil Van Cleave and his band of stout hearts with the Virginia Citizen's Defense League have soldiered valiantly against this and other idiocies in Virginia's laws. Consider supporting them:

http://www.vcdl.org

I e-mailed a Randy Kozuch at the NRA politely asking why "our" NRA was supporting this slandering, ill-tempered RINO while a stalwart gun rights supporter, Jeff Frederick (http://www.votejeff.com) gets kicked to the curb; needless to state, no reply.
 
Ah I stand corrected then. My mistake. Those laws are stupid and should be opposed.

I don't have a problem with carrying in a restaurant or bar if you are drinking soda or DDing your friends who are consuming (like I usually do). I do have a problem with getting drunk with a firearm on you. I know way too many people that are perfectly responsible when sober, but stupid stupid drunks. There are plenty of violent drunks who are really nice guys sober too. Bearing lethal force when your judgement and coordination is heavily impaired is criminal IMHO.

BTW Partisan Ranger, why don't you try reading my post before you reply to it? If your interpretation of the 2ndA is "repeal all gun laws everywhere and make sure it is unconstitutional to pass more" then you are a political extremist when compared to the American population who really don't mind some measure of gun control. You (if you are one of those people) are on a political extreme. Deal with it, because the label is technically accurate.
 
I did read your post, sir. Quite thoroughly, in fact.

I was simply pointing out, respectfully, the simple fact that we're dealing with banning CCW in all restaurants that serve alcohol.

My position is that as a CCW holder, I know darned well not to carry if I am drinking. CCW holders are not the problem. Criminals are.

By the way, I wrote to this anti-gun politician the following:

Sir,

All due respect, I strongly disagree with and resent your campaign brochure that paints Jeff Frederick and people in the GOA and VCDL as 'extremists.'

First, your brochure misrepresents the issue. The current Va. law prohibits not just carrying in 'bars and nightclubs,' but in ANY establishment that serves alcohol. That eliminates about 90% of restaurants. Taking your family to Fridays and want to carry concealed to protect them? You're out of luck, if you are a law-abiding citizen that is. If you are a criminal, have at it.


Second, while portraying yourself as 'pro-gun' to get the NRA endorsement, you are using the same logic (or lack thereof) of the anti-gun extremist bigots in our society. You assume that a law-abiding person with a CCW isn't responsible enough to not carry when he is drinking. I am not a child, sir. I know full well if I consume alcohol, I should not carry a firearm.

You see, I am a law-abiding person. I respect the law and I respect my fellow man. I don't need to have my God-given rights needlessly trodden upon and restricted by your little laws. Criminals, the ones you supposedly are trying to stop, will never obey your restrictions, whatever they are. They are criminals.

You have lost my vote, sir. I, of course, am an 'extremist' in your jargon, so I doubt you care. If being an 'extremist' means wanting to defend myself and my family from criminal scum, then paint me an extremist.
 
Who here, besides the occasional RINO apologist, gives a RA what the general population's position is on the 2A, and how that technically defines us as extremists? The general population was similarly spineless about slavery until the extremist Republican party was founded and Lincoln won the presidency, not to be grandiose or anything.
 
Not to nitpick, but the law actually forbids CHP holders' carrying concealed into any establishment that holds a VA ABC license for on-premises consumption.
So if you're legally carrying concealed, don't go into the restaurant, club, market or whatever. Ironically, all you have to do to be legal is uncover and suffer the reactions of the sheep. :evil:

edited to add: MRACHESON, what in the world made you presume to lecture us about drinking and carrying?

TC
TFL Survivor
 
I hate to do this...

and use the tired old "slippery slope" argument, but ...

As has been previously stated, Open carry is perfectly legal in ABC establishments in VA. It's already illegal to be carrying concealed and be intoxicated. The danger in further restricting alcohol consumption and carrying could extend to a law abiding citizen on or about his/her own property, home, curtilage, etc...

Not to mention the fact that the drunk in public statute is purely a judgement call on the part of the arresting officer - no breathalyzer standard, just 'officer discretion'. That's too ambiguous. No you should not consume alcohol near the time when you are going to be around a firearm, but what if you are put in the predicament of self defense after consuming a beer or glass of wine?

All these 'restrictions' aren't serving a good purpose now. How many violations of 18.2-308 have for a CHP carrying concealed in an ABC establishment since 1995 ?

It's a non problem. It wasn't a problem before shall issue, and it' s not a problem now. Won't be in the future either.

Rollison has to go, Frederick is a far better choice.
 
I don't have a problem with carrying in a restaurant or bar if you are drinking soda or DDing your friends who are consuming (like I usually do). I do have a problem with getting drunk with a firearm on you. I know way too many people that are perfectly responsible when sober, but stupid stupid drunks. There are plenty of violent drunks who are really nice guys sober too. Bearing lethal force when your judgement and coordination is heavily impaired is criminal IMHO.
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Liberals and antis are always using the argument "well you register your car, why not your gun?".

Along that line, the way the law should read is that if you blow a .08BAL or higher and you are carrying, then you lose your CCW (just as you would lose your DL if you're behind the wheel). Otherwise its not the governments business if you go to a resturant that serves beer (hell even if you have a beer or glass of wine with diner it shouldn't matter either ... although I'm sure I'll get some disagreement here).


EDIT: Wow! my 500th post! :D
 
Liberals and antis are always using the argument "well you register your car, why not your gun?".



Because history isn't replete with examples of tyrannical governments enacting registeration of vehicles, followed by confiscation, followed by extermination of certain segments of the populace.

Cars aren't viewed as a threat to politicians' power. Guns are.
 
I was simply pointing out, respectfully, the simple fact that we're dealing with banning CCW in all restaurants that serve alcohol.
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What part of "political hack" is respectful? Perhaps you were referring to the State Senator not myself?

However if you can accept the gun control in general as an allowable concept, then carrying while intoxicating or imbibing is probably at the top of most people's lists of reasonable laws. Now that I better understand the question I see my error.

Smurfslayer,

In point of fact guns and liquor was a huge problem in some parts of society. There are two reasons for gun laws in this country. The first is Jim Crow. The second is drunken bar patrons shooting each other all over the old west.

Mr. James.

I appreciate the fact that you were the only one who understood what I was saying rather than flaming on.

My apologies for coming on too strong to the rest of you.
 
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