Partisan Ranger
Member
'Political hack' refers to Rollison. I thought a 'political hack' was one who is engaged in the business of being a politician and, in this case, likes playing footsy with our God-given rights for his political advantage.
(VA) NRA-endorsed Republican smears "extremist" gun owners
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XLMiguel
Member
VCDL-PAC is endorsing Howie Lind in my district (32). That's good enough for me, but does anyone know anything about this guy (beyond what's on his website)? Almost anyone/thing is better than Janet Howell.
Mr. James
Member
Mike,
From Sen. Ken Cuccinelli's endorsement of Howie Lind:
I know Sen. Cuccinelli - not as a friend, but I worked his campaign and I see him at my church quite frequently. Cuccinelli is locked on, and Lind seems to be a kindred spirit. Cuccinelli wasn't only a passive supporter of gun rights, but sponsored and labored for legislation, inter alia, to end this idiotic restaurant ban.
Both are good to go.
Unless others can prove otherwise, support and vote for Lind with enthusiasm.
I actually have good feelings about the trend in Virginia politics.
From Sen. Ken Cuccinelli's endorsement of Howie Lind:
I know Sen. Cuccinelli - not as a friend, but I worked his campaign and I see him at my church quite frequently. Cuccinelli is locked on, and Lind seems to be a kindred spirit. Cuccinelli wasn't only a passive supporter of gun rights, but sponsored and labored for legislation, inter alia, to end this idiotic restaurant ban.
Both are good to go.
Unless others can prove otherwise, support and vote for Lind with enthusiasm.
I actually have good feelings about the trend in Virginia politics.
Leatherneck
Member
Interesting tidbit this morning: in the 31st District (Prince William and Fauquier), our very pro-gun republican delegate, Scott Lingamfelter, will be opposed this fall by David G. Brickley, ex-delegate. Not particularly pro-gun, but not a rabid Anti either, IIRC.
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El Tejon
Member
Again with "carrying into bars." I do it here; what's the problem? How does possessing the means to protect myself make me an extremist (unless you define self-defense as "extreme")?
More emotion to drive the mommies like the cattle they are. Hope our friends in Ol' Virginny prevail on this nonsense.
BTW, can't you carry openly in Ol' Virginny taverns?
More emotion to drive the mommies like the cattle they are. Hope our friends in Ol' Virginny prevail on this nonsense.
BTW, can't you carry openly in Ol' Virginny taverns?
Partisan Ranger
Member
El Tejon,
Yes, you can carry openly in a bar in Virginia, and you CAN carry openly in a restaurant that serves alcohol. However, I have never seen, outside of a gun shop, anyone in Virginia carrying openly. Now granted, I live in Northern Virginia (Shenandoah Valley technically), so perhaps down south in the heart of Va. they do carry openly.
I would much rather carry concealed when I go into a restaurant that serves booze. It also just plain irritates me that my right to self-defense is restricted, even though I have a CCW.
Yes, you can carry openly in a bar in Virginia, and you CAN carry openly in a restaurant that serves alcohol. However, I have never seen, outside of a gun shop, anyone in Virginia carrying openly. Now granted, I live in Northern Virginia (Shenandoah Valley technically), so perhaps down south in the heart of Va. they do carry openly.
I would much rather carry concealed when I go into a restaurant that serves booze. It also just plain irritates me that my right to self-defense is restricted, even though I have a CCW.
Leatherneck
Member
Tejon:
Indeed. In fact, that's the only legal way for a patron to carry a gun in places that have an ABC on-premises license. Seems kinda stupid to me, as I believe firmly in not exciting the rabble, especially if they're drinking. Oh well...the "restaurant ban" is next on the agenda.
From the VCDL site:
Places Off-Limits While Carrying
· ANY Courthouse
· ANY Federal Property (Federal Offices/National Parks/Post Offices)
· Military Facilities
· Place of Worship During a Service "Without Good and Sufficient Reason"
· Places With On-Premises Alcohol - Owners/Employees/Open Carry Exempted
· Private Property / Business When Prohibited by Owner or Posted
· Public/Private/Parochial School Buses
· Public/Private/Parochial School Functions
· Public/Private/Parochial School Property
· State Parks (CCW Ok. Open Carry Not Allowed)
· Virginia Commonwealth University
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TFL Survivor
Indeed. In fact, that's the only legal way for a patron to carry a gun in places that have an ABC on-premises license. Seems kinda stupid to me, as I believe firmly in not exciting the rabble, especially if they're drinking. Oh well...the "restaurant ban" is next on the agenda.
From the VCDL site:
Places Off-Limits While Carrying
· ANY Courthouse
· ANY Federal Property (Federal Offices/National Parks/Post Offices)
· Military Facilities
· Place of Worship During a Service "Without Good and Sufficient Reason"
· Places With On-Premises Alcohol - Owners/Employees/Open Carry Exempted
· Private Property / Business When Prohibited by Owner or Posted
· Public/Private/Parochial School Buses
· Public/Private/Parochial School Functions
· Public/Private/Parochial School Property
· State Parks (CCW Ok. Open Carry Not Allowed)
· Virginia Commonwealth University
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BrokenPaw
Member
Partisan Ranger,
There are some of us who carry openly from time to time, here in Northern Virginia. I live in Manassas. I regularly carry openly in businesses near my house. I tend to carry concealed when I can, but if the weather's too hot, and it's a choice between open carry and no carry, I carry open.
No one at Food Lion, Giant, Hollywood Video, the Saturn dealership[0], 7-11, Outback, Pizzaria Uno, Fuddruckers, or Lowes has ever batted an eye at me about it.
By the way, with respect to the so-called "restaurant ban", prohibiting CCH in ABC on-premises establishments: It's not just bars and restaurants that are affected; some upper-class[1] department stores have wine bars in some of their locations. Wine Bar == ABC On == No CCH. That's a nasty one to run into, if you didn't know that the place served alcohol.
Does anyone know what an ABC license costs? It occurs to me that businesses could try to obtain one in order to make CC illegal on their premises.
-BP
[0] Had a guy there ask me what make/model I was carrying, but out of apparent interest, not fear or concern.
[1] pronounced "overpriced"
There are some of us who carry openly from time to time, here in Northern Virginia. I live in Manassas. I regularly carry openly in businesses near my house. I tend to carry concealed when I can, but if the weather's too hot, and it's a choice between open carry and no carry, I carry open.
No one at Food Lion, Giant, Hollywood Video, the Saturn dealership[0], 7-11, Outback, Pizzaria Uno, Fuddruckers, or Lowes has ever batted an eye at me about it.
By the way, with respect to the so-called "restaurant ban", prohibiting CCH in ABC on-premises establishments: It's not just bars and restaurants that are affected; some upper-class[1] department stores have wine bars in some of their locations. Wine Bar == ABC On == No CCH. That's a nasty one to run into, if you didn't know that the place served alcohol.
Does anyone know what an ABC license costs? It occurs to me that businesses could try to obtain one in order to make CC illegal on their premises.
-BP
[0] Had a guy there ask me what make/model I was carrying, but out of apparent interest, not fear or concern.
[1] pronounced "overpriced"
Partisan Ranger
Member
Interesting about carrying openly....I have thought about getting a paddle holster for my K-9 so I can carry regardless of this dumb-@@@ law.
I may try carrying openly next time we go to a restaurant. I'm curious what the reaction might be. "Oh my God, Ralph, grab little Tyler and Brittany! That man HAS A GUN!" (heh heh!)
Regarding wine cafes in high class dept. stores, no worry for me. I'm a cheap SOB and far from high class...Sears and Target are more my speed.
I may try carrying openly next time we go to a restaurant. I'm curious what the reaction might be. "Oh my God, Ralph, grab little Tyler and Brittany! That man HAS A GUN!" (heh heh!)
Regarding wine cafes in high class dept. stores, no worry for me. I'm a cheap SOB and far from high class...Sears and Target are more my speed.
BrokenPaw
Member
My wife and daughter and I ate at Outback Steakhouse last night. I was carrying. No one said anything. The woman in the booth across from ours was glaring at me some, but that might have been just because of the way I look and not because I was carrying[0].
The only restaurant where I've ever been given any trouble over carrying is the Logan's Roadhouse in Manassas. There's a lengthy story there; PM me if you're interested.
The wait staff in the Ruby Tuesday's in Fairfax went so far as to tell some other customers to "cope", when said other customers got all shirty about there being guns in the restaurant. Then the waiters came and told us what had happened, and reassured us that we were welcome. They got tipped well that night, too.
The Red Robin in Fair Lakes actively welcomes people who carry; the manager has come over to talk to us about what we're packing, and has always been positive.
-BP
[0] Long dark hair, goatee, motorcycle boots, all-black clothes (which when combined with a black Beretta makes for a nice low profile, even when open-carrying
)gun-fucious
Member
VCDL members and other gun owners who got a mailer from the VCDL PAC
spoke decisively at the polls tonight in the Rollison/Frederic
delegate race.
Rollison lost the primary and his House seat by a 58 to a 41 percent
margin to Jeff Frederic.
Let there be no doubt that the Rollison/Frederic primary turned on
gun rights - Rollison's attack and mischaracterization of both VCDL
and the restaurant ban repeal cost him dearly. Rollison's "hate"
mail against VCDL went to every registered voter in his district.
That mailing backfired. Gun owners want the restaurant ban REPEALED
and are not in the mood for attacks on guns and gun organizations.
They voted accordingly.
If you are in Jeff Frederic's district, call or email him and
congratulate him on his win.
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In the Potts/Tate race, Senator Potts just barely squeaked by Tate
with a 106 vote margin (out of over 7,000 votes) - a win of less than
1%. For those who don't believe every vote in a primary doesn't make
a difference, here is yet another example of how close these races
can be and how important it is that you vote in them. 107 votes was
all that was needed to have gotten a pro-gun restaurant owner who
wanted to repeal the restaurant ban a win in the primary.
Those of you who live in Senator Potts' district should call and ask
him to reconsider his position and help to repeal the restaurant ban.
Also ask him to send in the VCDL questionnaire when he gets it later
this year.
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The results of the other races can be found here:
http://www.sbe.vipnet.org/
If you live in a contested district, contact the winner and ask them
to support the repeal of the restaurant ban repeal and ask them to
return the VCDL survey when they get it later in the year.
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VA-ALERT is a project of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc. (VCDL).
VCDL is an all-volunteer, non-partisan grassroots organization dedicated to
defending the human rights of all Virginians. The membership considers the
right to keep and bear arms an essential human right.
VCDL web page: http://www.vcdl.org
spoke decisively at the polls tonight in the Rollison/Frederic
delegate race.
Rollison lost the primary and his House seat by a 58 to a 41 percent
margin to Jeff Frederic.
Let there be no doubt that the Rollison/Frederic primary turned on
gun rights - Rollison's attack and mischaracterization of both VCDL
and the restaurant ban repeal cost him dearly. Rollison's "hate"
mail against VCDL went to every registered voter in his district.
That mailing backfired. Gun owners want the restaurant ban REPEALED
and are not in the mood for attacks on guns and gun organizations.
They voted accordingly.
If you are in Jeff Frederic's district, call or email him and
congratulate him on his win.
**
In the Potts/Tate race, Senator Potts just barely squeaked by Tate
with a 106 vote margin (out of over 7,000 votes) - a win of less than
1%. For those who don't believe every vote in a primary doesn't make
a difference, here is yet another example of how close these races
can be and how important it is that you vote in them. 107 votes was
all that was needed to have gotten a pro-gun restaurant owner who
wanted to repeal the restaurant ban a win in the primary.
Those of you who live in Senator Potts' district should call and ask
him to reconsider his position and help to repeal the restaurant ban.
Also ask him to send in the VCDL questionnaire when he gets it later
this year.
**
The results of the other races can be found here:
http://www.sbe.vipnet.org/
If you live in a contested district, contact the winner and ask them
to support the repeal of the restaurant ban repeal and ask them to
return the VCDL survey when they get it later in the year.
***************************************************************************
VA-ALERT is a project of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc. (VCDL).
VCDL is an all-volunteer, non-partisan grassroots organization dedicated to
defending the human rights of all Virginians. The membership considers the
right to keep and bear arms an essential human right.
VCDL web page: http://www.vcdl.org
Dan from MI
Member
Unfortunatly, some NRA (of which I happen to be a member)officials like to play games. I suspect that was what happened when Rollison was endorsed.
I wonder if it is the same NRA official that we had in Michigan. I don't like to mention names of non public individuals, so I won't name him, but it wouldn't suprise me if it is the same guy. He lives in VA.
An Anti-gunner was endorsed here in 2002. Another anti-gunner was given an A, same grade as the pro-2a incumbent who was endorsed.
I wonder if it is the same NRA official that we had in Michigan. I don't like to mention names of non public individuals, so I won't name him, but it wouldn't suprise me if it is the same guy. He lives in VA.
An Anti-gunner was endorsed here in 2002. Another anti-gunner was given an A, same grade as the pro-2a incumbent who was endorsed.
Mike Irwin
Member
Take it from someone who was there for 3.5 years.
NRA's political recommendations are pretty much a
ing joke.
NRA's political recommendations are pretty much a
ing joke.JohnBT
Member
ABC license costs:
www.abc.state.va.us/enforce/liccost.htm
So how does a department store meet the minimum food sales requirement? Do they even have a kitchen? For that matter, how can the shop where I get my hair cut serve wine?
John
www.abc.state.va.us/enforce/liccost.htm
So how does a department store meet the minimum food sales requirement? Do they even have a kitchen? For that matter, how can the shop where I get my hair cut serve wine?
John
Leatherneck
Member
YES! Rolly went down! So who do you trust?
TC
TFL Survivor
Remembering RINO Rollison's disrespectful and downright nasty rejection of VCDL's politely stated concerns with his support for the restaurant ban, I'm with Mike Irwin:
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XLMiguel
Member
Rollison got his butt kicked right proper!
Unfortunately, In my distrivt, Howie Lind got beat by about 2/1. At least I got my $.02 in at the polls. HOpefully, Mr. Hunt will beat Janet Howell in the fall.
Unfortunately, In my distrivt, Howie Lind got beat by about 2/1. At least I got my $.02 in at the polls. HOpefully, Mr. Hunt will beat Janet Howell in the fall.
Partisan Ranger
Member
I went running last night at 6:45 pm and stopped at the polling station in Winchester VA to vote for Tate. I had a feeling it would be a very small turnout so I really thought that my vote would count. Only a 106 vote margin! Oh well. I'll write to Potts and ask him to reconsider his position on restaurants and CCW.
faustulus
Member
Could we please avoid using this incident to illustrate anymore points, unless it is microsoft claiming free speech violations in its monoply suits.
Apple a Day
Member
Even the local commie rag, the Daily Press, had to admit that it was partly Rollinson's stance on guns that sank him... of course they mentioned it waaaaay down in the article. 
MrAcheson
Member
Open carry while drinking at a bar is not a bad idea. It gives the bartender a chance to say "Hey whoa there buddy you need to pace yourself better when you're packing." Sorta like asking for the keys at a certain point...
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