Value Question, Parker Hale

[John L Venable]

I just came across a Parker Hale 2nd Gen Whitworth in Very Good Condition.... any estimates on what this might be worth? I want to be fair, but don't want to be taken advantage of, the ask is 1300.

Thanks for the help in advance.

JV

Edit: I've acquired a few Pictures, but I'd appreciate any help on where to look for indications of defarbing or what stampings to look for.... this may be a defarbed Pedersoli! Any Help at all would be appreciated.

 

[D. Buck Stopshere]

Post photos for a better estimate.

 

[D. Buck Stopshere]

Photos will help a great deal. Though they can only give a ballpark estimate. Nothing beats a hands-on inspection.

English proofs may be on the underside of the barrel if not on top.

If purchasing, ask for a 3-day inspection & return for refund if Italian.

Price sounds right for a Whitworth.

 

[LonesomePigeon]

I don't know what the Whitworth is but the Parker-Hale Volunteer had real bone-charcoal case colors. If your Whitworth has typical chemical case colors I would be very suspicious.

 

[John L Venable]

I don't know what the Whitworth is but the Parker-Hale Volunteer had real bone-charcoal case colors. If your Whitworth has typical chemical case colors I would be very suspicious.

 

[John L Venable]

From information provided, the 2nd Gens are Parker Hale Parts that were assembled in Italy....but by whom is the lingering question. the lock is stamped "Whitworth", the lock bridle is stamped p-h Italian date code bm=1999

 

[John L Venable]

Photos will help a great deal. Though they can only give a ballpark estimate. Nothing beats a hands-on inspection.

English proofs may be on the underside of the barrel if not on top.

If purchasing, ask for a 3-day inspection & return for refund if Italian.

Price sounds right for a Whitworth.

From information provided, the 2nd Gens are Parker Hale Parts that were assembled in Italy....but by whom is the lingering question. the lock is stamped "Whitworth", the lock bridle is stamped p-h Italian date code bm=1999

 

[D. Buck Stopshere]

The Parker-Hale Rifle Company was purchased by Val Forgett, president of Navy Arms Company. Subsequently, Val started up another company, Gibbs Rifle Company in 1991 for his son, Val Forgett III to administer. The Parker-Hale assets & machinery were brought to the US. They concentrated on surplus military rifles. Using the Parker-Hale tooling and equipment, they refurbished the surplus firearms to sell ("factory refinished"). Val or his son, V.F. III, contacted, I believe, Chiappa Firearms (AKA Armi Sport) to manufacture the P-H models using the P-H parts on hand until the Italians could manufacture those parts. Val passed away in 2002. Navy Arms Company ceased operations around 2005.

 

[dave951]

Navy Arms is back in business now, but in name only, it's not the Navy Arms of days gone by.

 

[John L Venable]

I've checked out two 2nd Gen PH Whitworths, oddly the higher priced one was in need of minor repair, no sights, no nipple, Nicks & Scratches.. Imgoing to keep looking. These Replicas were three band, I understand the Confederacy used a two band model. Pedersoli seems to be making a newer model also.

 

[4v50 Gary]

No modern Whitworth repro looks like a Confederate Whitworth. John Venable is correct in that the 2nd Quality models shipped to the Confederacy were two band and had a snub nose appearance. Go to either the 45th Infantry Museum, the Thunerbirds, in Oklahoma City or to the Virginia Historical Society in Richmond, VA to see unaltered Whitworths. The one at the Nashville (TN State Museum) was sporterized post-war.

A repro will require a gunsmith to make a new stock and if you want it a scope, a machinist to make the Davidson scope mount for the gunsmith to install (unless the gunsmith can reverse engineer it himself - must have a milling machine and lathe).

If it's not an English made Parker Hale, I wouldn't pay $1,300 for it.

 

[John L Venable]

No modern Whitworth repro looks like a Confederate Whitworth. John Venable is correct in that the 2nd Quality models shipped to the Confederacy were two band and had a snub nose appearance. Go to either the 45th Infantry Museum, the Thunerbirds, in Oklahoma City or to the Virginia Historical Society in Richmond, VA to see unaltered Whitworths. The one at the Nashville (TN State Museum) was sporterized post-war.

A repro will require a gunsmith to make a new stock and if you want it a scope, a machinist to make the Davidson scope mount for the gunsmith to install (unless the gunsmith can reverse engineer it himself - must have a milling machine and lathe).

If it's not an English made Parker Hale, I wouldn't pay $1,300 for it.

Darn, I didn't think to look at one in there, the VA Historical Society, and I eat lunch next door at the VMFA once a month.

 

[4v50 Gary]

VHS also has a Kerr Rifle in its collection.