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Variety of Iraq weapons astounds expert


By Jason Chudy, Stars and Stripes
European edition, Friday, October 31, 2003

CAMP THUNDER, Iraq — Sgt. Kurt Smith is spending his time in Iraq as a full-time medic and part-time historian.

Many of the weapons that his unit, the 4th Armored Division’s 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, have confiscated belong in museums rather than their arms room, he said.

There are two 1917 Webley revolvers, World War I-era British Enfield rifles, World War II-era German Mauser rifles, Russian PPKs and British submachine guns.

“I’m a weapons enthusiast,†said Smith. “My dad was a weapons collector and he passed on some weapons to me and my brother.â€

For the past few months, Smith has become a expert of sorts on the unit’s collection. Those he doesn’t know about he checks in two reference books: one issued to units explaining what weapons to expect in Iraq and another on World War II weapons.

Some of the weapons are too old for either book.

“There’s stuff that I’ve only seen in museums, in books or on the Internet,†said Sgt. 1st Class Nelson Castro, the 3-16th’s master gunner. “Most of this stuff is in fairly good shape.â€

“I was surprised to see the [British] Sterling submachine gun,†Smith said, “plus, similar to the Sterling, the Sten. They were World War II weapons and ... are different than the AKs and other automatic weapons.â€

There have been, of course, hundreds of AK-47s collected, a handful of Dragonov sniper rifles, a half-dozen or so rocket-propelled-grenade launchers and even a box of Beretta pistols, which were recently cleaned and oiled.

Many of the modern confiscated weapons, such as the AK-47s, have been issued to Iraqi security or police units.

The older ones, however, will remain in the unit’s arms room for the foreseeable future.

“I hope that they’re not going to be discarded,†Smith said.

Many of the older weapons, though seemingly in good shape, won’t be test fired because of safety concerns.

“Maybe they’ll go into a museum,†he said.

http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=18397

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Jason Chudy / S&S
Sgt. Kurt Smith holds a 1917 Webley revolver confiscated during a raid by soldiers from the 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery. The unit's arms room has about a dozen World War II-era or earlier weapons.

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A British World War II Sterling submachine gun, bottom, and the similar Sten submachine gun lay alongside more modern Russian-designed machine guns in the 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery, arms room.
 
If they had Stens they may have and a stray MP40 or two....if they had Sterlings possibly they had some a few MG 42s......
Wonder if that stuff has been there in Iraq all this time since WWII?

S-
 
Bosnia-Herzegovina was like that when I was there in 1996. The former warring factions had everything from new-in-the-box Barrett M82 .50 rifles to improvised Claymores made out of flower pots. Fascinating stuff, at least until you saw the boxes of "sweating" dynamite and drunks smoking near piles of armed land mines... :eek:
 
You should have seen some of the crap we found in Assghanistan. My Lord, there were muj over there using rifles well in excess of 150 years old. I saw one brought back by a Civil Affairs NCO that was at least that old. It was a British-made, blackpowder musket of .60 caliber IIRC. Imagine the stories that weapon could tell! Then there were the usual Lee-Enfields, Mosin-Nagants, Mausers, and the guns made in neighboring Pakistan. Those Paki gun makers are good at what they do, that's for sure.

Frank
 
Hey, wait a minute, guys! I thought guns only existed in eeevil America?:D :rolleyes:

Next you'll be telling me that there are guns all over the world and that one can make a gun on a flat rock in the hills of Pakistan by people with a 6th grade education and bad teeth. Yeah, like I'll believe THAT!;)
 
El T,

Not only that, but those Pakistani gun makers don't even give you a trigger lock when you buy one of their home made guns. Obviously they care nothing about their children. It's amazing there haven't been more shootings in Pakistani schools by enraged children, armed with automatic rifles that their dads made in the backyard.
 
It's amazing there haven't been more shootings in Pakistani schools by enraged children, armed with automatic rifles that their dads made in the backyard.

Well, a guy can dream... :evil:
 
Mark, I was just thinking myself that there's no way the troops will be allowed to bring those back.

I guess they'll be destroyed!:banghead:
 
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