Varmint Bolt Actions

[giggitygiggity]

Out of the choices in the poll, which is the most accurate bolt action rifle? I would like to get one in .22-250.

Also, this is not a pointless poll. If more members agree that one of the rifles is more accurate than all the others and/or members believe that another rifle is not accurate, then that will affect which rifle I will consider buying. Thanks.

 

[gvnwst]

Also, this is not a pointless poll.

Yes it is.
Like I said in the previous thread "all those rifles can probably outshoot you". Most members are just going to vote for what they have, not what might be the truely most accurate. And who knows, the "least accurate" of the bunch you might just buy, and it turns out to be REALLY accurate, some rifles are just accurate, some aren't. A better question would be "Which would YOU prefer out of these bolt action rifles for this particular use bla bla bla".

 

[DIM]

Tactical Operations - Bravo 51
Tactical Operations - Tango 51
Tactical Operations X-Ray 51

All of this 0.25 MOA guaranteed riffles, but unfortunately you don’t have them listed

 

[dubbleA]

Here's an idea.......buy one of each and do your own accuracy test and get back with us which one is the most betterererer.

I tried posting on your 1st poll but it was locked before I got it typed, hopefully this one will make it.

 

[browningguy]

I thought one of the mods shut this down as it was "pointless" (in their words)?

Regardless, I still go with the Savage, it seems that historically you have a better chance of getting a very accurate rifle right out of the box.

 

[DRYHUMOR]

How accurate at what distance?

 

[DIM]

Historically things were different, but now everything got changed, I guess we needed… Savage now changed their specs and if your riffle shooting 1.75” it’s within this changed specs, I would advise nowadays don’t buy it unless someone can guarantee it will shoot accurately.

 

[giggitygiggity]

Yes it is.
Like I said in the previous thread "all those rifles can probably outshoot you". Most members are just going to vote for what they have, not what might be the truely most accurate. And who knows, the "least accurate" of the bunch you might just buy, and it turns out to be REALLY accurate, some rifles are just accurate, some aren't. A better question would be "Which would YOU prefer out of these bolt action rifles for this particular use bla bla bla".

So be it if members simply choose the rifle that they have. If one of the rifles has an immense following, then there is probably a good reason for that. That will have provided me with a data point on which I can further reseach my potential varmint rifle choices. If all the rifles get the same number of votes, then the poll will prove that all the rifles are thought of as the same and that any differences are truly negligible. Regardless, the poll does have a point. Members can provide feedback about what rifles they feel are the most accurate. If you feel the poll is useless, you should just go about your business. I am trying to gain constructive feedback and you are only preventing my education.

I appologize if I am coming off harsh, but it irritates me when I ask a legitimate question and then have someone tell me it is pointless.

How accurate at what distance?

500yds.


Also, where can you find these Tactical Operations rifles? Thanks.

 

[DIM]

You are seriously want to spend 4.5K on Tactical Operations

 

[gvnwst]

Sorry, I am not trying to get in the way of your education. The problem with basing you pick off the poll is that most of the votes are going to be a opinion of someone who hasn't fired any of the others. Maybe a similar one, but not one of that model, which could be very different. I have not fired most of those.
Anyhow, I would go with the savage, I feel it is the best choice.

500yds.

How accurate out there?

Also, where can you find these Tactical Operations rifles? Thanks.

http://www.tacticaloperations.com/xrayseries/
If you really want one of those...at least give us a range report.

 

[DIM]

So what groupings your Savage can produce at 500 yards? Say 3 shot groups?

 

[chevyforlife21]

i find savage to be the most accurate. they dont have the smoothest guns, but best accuracy hands down. i can hit the same bullet hole with my 243 at 100 yards.

 

[doc2rn]

My Rem 700 is a .223 SPS I can get 1-2 MOA at 500 yds if I do my part. 600 yds is about max for my rifle as things like wind affect the round alot. At 100 yds I can make ya a four leafed clover.
Now my Ruger 77/22 MkII is a .22 wmr and I can shoot dum-dum pops out of a 2x4 at the 75 yd berm, but it pushes the limits at around 150 yds depending on ammo.

Sold the savage and winchester as they shot pretty patterns not groups. They looked alot like the last time I patterned my 20g.

 

[DIM]

Hmmm 1-2 MOA at 500 yards is like 5.235" -10.47" I usually put 2.2" - 2.5" groups at 500

 

[gvnwst]

Hmmm 1-2 MOA at 500 yards is like 5.235" -10.47" I usually put 2.2" - 2.5" groups at 500

With...?

 

[DIM]

This
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=469246&highlight=tc+icon+precision+hunter

 

[Geno]

This is seriously like asking "How many licks does it take to get to the tootsie roll center of a Tootie Pop?" Well, here too, the world may never know which is the most accurate.

 

[dagger dog]

I own a Ruger KM77VTMKII and a Savage 12FV, wish they were both in the same caliber ,as that would make the comparison equal. 150 bucks difference is very well worth the extra cost in the Ruger. The trigger on the Ruger is a 3 way fully adjustable, and is of quality and function not capable of the Accu-Trigger on the Savage ( and I own 3 Savage rifles with this trigger). Push feed or control feed ,you can argue either for days, I prefer the Mauser claw, 3 position saftey,being able to dump the magazine from the bottom seems to me to be a little safer when unloading.

The KM77VTMKII was capable (even with my inept shooting abililty) of ,3/4" 5 shot grouping at the standard 100 yds, with my handloads of 48 grs. Varget 125 gr. .308 Nosler ballistic tip boat tail, Win. brass CCI 200 prime.

The 12 FV with factory stock,.223 Rem. 69 gr Sierra HPBT Match King ,25 grs.RE15 CCI 205M REM brass, shot just under an inch at .987".

The trigger on the Ruger is zero creep, zero over travel and absolutely smooth let off around 3 lbs, the Savage is creepy and gritty , but letting off with less effort than the Ruger.

In MO the extra 150 $ (maybe less if you are going for the 12FVSS) does show in the finer fit and finish on the Ruger.

I have had experiance with a Remington 700 PPS with my.223Rem. handloads of 55 gr Hornady SPBT & 26 grs Varget Win. brass WSR prime that gave < 1" @ 100yds. The trigger on this rifle was > 4lbs on let off but no creep or gritt.

 

[DRYHUMOR]

Well...

If I wanted a 500 yd gun, I'd get it built to my specs, fitted to me. Being partial to Remington 700's, I'd buy a new action. Have it squared, and lapped. Put a custom barrel on it, say a 1:12 or 1:14 twist, maybe 26 or 28 inches long. Drop it in a nice HS Stock. Add a Nightforce scope, 10 or 20 MOA base. And spend about 3 or 4 grand on it.

Or, I'd take the easy way out and just buy this:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=140606981

 

[hushnel]

If I wanted a 500 yd gun, I'd get it built to my specs, fitted to me.

I said as much to my gunsmith for a bolt action hunting rifle. I wanted it in .270 win for hunting. He just smiled and handed me a Blaser R93, then told me it’s what he uses. He mostly hunts out of the country, USA. I researched it and decided it would be perfect since it easily comes in left hand action. It ain’t cheap.

As for the poll, I’m sorry but I have no experience with any of these. I pretty much go by manufacture’s reputation, I like Ruger I have a bunch of them and they are very nice fire arms.

 

[Al LaVodka]

Least Expensive?

Fellas;
Am I correct that the Savage is the least expensive gun on this list?

If so, no need to say that price or even name are always a reflection of accuracy, quality, etc...

Al

 

[DRYHUMOR]

That's true that price doesn't reflect accuracy.

But accuracy comes from fit and comfort, if the rifle doesn't fit you well or there is a degree of discomfort when you shoot it, you may never be able to accurately shoot it.

I shoot Remingtons on average better than Winchesters, I like and own both.

The OP asks which is more accurate. I'd be hesitant to buy a rifle, invest the kind of money it would take to set up a 500 yd gun, and find I couldn't shoot it well.

I think most of us have been down the "buy it, try it, don't like it, sell it" road before. And that road covers everything from $299.00 on up.

 

[Brian Williams]

Ok, so you want to shoot at 500yds, Have you spent time shooting at 100yds and then 200 yds? Do you have access to a range that is 500yds? What varmints are you planning on shooting at 500yds? Do you have a price for equivalent optics for 500yds, both scope and spotting scope/binoculars? Also do you reload? Accurate shooting at distance can only really happen with loads tailored to your gun and the way you shoot.

OBTW 22-250 will eat up a bunch of the useful barrel life in good load development and it is not known as a great and accurate long range cartridge at 500yds, get a 223 and you can shoot more. Limit your shooting to 300 yds and any 223 with good glass, both spotting and scope, and bipod will take care of just about any varmint around.

Make sure you get a good spotting scope, tis bad manners to glass with the rifle scope.

Also like buying a stereo, many people buy a great amp or receiver and skimp on the speakers, Buy with the intention of spending as much on the scope and mounts as you do on the rifle.
Just about any of these will do the job if you shorten your range and push for accuracy.

another qusetion
How much can you afford to shoot? If you do not practice in field conditions you will never get MOA in the field. Only use the bench to load develop and check accuracy. Shoot from the ground as much as possible either sitting with a tall bipod or prone with a low one.

GET a 22Lr that matches your centerfire.

 

[DRYHUMOR]

+1 on the practice part. Lots of it.