Very glad I stayed out of trouble growing up.

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I am new to guns and just got my ccw and my first gun. I was at the gun shop yesterday drooling over what I want to get as my second gun when this big argument breaks out. I guess a guy was there and wanted to buy a gun, well he failed the background check for a felony he got 17 years ago. He was furious, cussing up a storm, telling the shop owner that he never had a felony, and this is b.s. ect. Than he tries to turn it to well it was so long ago and it was just that one time and hes not a bad guy ect. The shop owner had to tell the guy to leave. It made me swell up with pride inside because I felt great knowing that I have stayed out of trouble and was able to get my ccw and gun.
 
Just wait if your in there and the gun seller smells a straw sale going down. You havent seen anything until you see someone get bent for being refused to even be let to buy a gun.

I was in a store once and it happened and the guy got so bent out of shape they called the police who quickly responded (as they do lots of business at this store) and promptly arrested the guy for an outstanding warrant.

Here's your sign.

This county needs free access to birth control bad.
 
A "Straw Sale" is where an individual, who CAN pass NICS, purchases a firearm for a person who CANNOT pass NICS.
 
Yep twice in the last 10 years I've seen two individuals go off big time when denied a sale. One involved a convented felon trying to buy a gun and was denied.

The other was a shop owner who smelled a straw sale. He was odiously getting his wife or girl friend to buy a HD shotgun. Gun dealer refused the sale the little woman did not say anything but the guy went nuts.

Interesting was that both jerks told the salesman's they were going to get lawyers and sue. When they were asked to leave. They both needed to invest in anger management classes instead of lawyers if you ask me.
 
I think the straw purchase definition hasn't been correctly posted here. It has nothing to do with the other person's ability to own or purchase a firearm legally.

It is simply this...

If the person filling out the 4473 does not honestly answer question 12 a.
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a. Are you the actual buyer of the firearm(s) listed on this form?​

No matter what the reason is, no matter why, no matter who.
If 12a is not answered honestly, it is a straw purchase.

There are many FFL dealers on THR, and they can either refute or corroborate my post, but this is what I have been told for many years. The last time I looked it up on the ATF's website, this is what I recall the definition to be.



As for the topic at hand. I agree with you 110%. I did so many stupid things while I was younger. I am so very blessed that it didn't get too far out of hand. Had I been caught for some of the most idiotic decisions I've made, I might never be able to own firearms now. Today, I value this freedom so very much. I wouldn't risk losing it for anything imaginable. This one freedom, gun ownership, will keep me on the straight and narrow by itself.
 
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As for the topic at hand. I agree with you 110%. I did so many stupid things while I was younger. I am so very blessed that it didn't get too far out of hand. Had I been caught for some of the most idiotic decisions I've made, I might never be able to own firearms now. Today, I value this freedom so very much. I would risk losing it for anything imaginable. This one freedom, gun ownership, will keep me on the straight and narrow by itself.
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My thoughts exactly. There is not a day of my life that I do not thank God for the United States Air Force taking in a 17 year old punk headed for trouble and giving him a chance to step up to the plate and take a swing at life. Took me a couple times at bat, but I finally hit a homer. :D
 
If the person filling out the 4473 does not honestly answer question 12 a.

12
a. Are you the actual buyer of the firearm(s) listed on this form?



No matter what the reason is, no matter why, no matter who.
If 12a is not answered honestly, it is a straw purchase.
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However, a gun can be purchased with the intent to gift it.
 
Thank God none of my playground fist fights ever went to court.
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+1 to that!! I think there is nothing wrong with getting in a few fights growing up. As long as the fight ends the argument and all is good after. It helps with growing up. Once your older, there is no need to fight except to defend yourself.
 
I didn't realize it at the time, but I almost had my gun rights stripped from me in college. I had an incident were I was charged with "obstruction of justice". Apparently, that's what cops charge you with when they don't really have anything formal to charge you with, but they felt they had to waste their time investigating, because police ARE justice:barf: My court appointed attorney felt it was BS and reached a plea bargain so I only had to pay $100 court fees (i.e. bribery). I am dissapointed in the legal system.:cuss:
 
May I ask, if the convicted felon then has a gun bought for him, and is caught with it concealed in the street, is that a crime?

If he is caught with it in his home, is that a crime?

Basically I guess, is it a crime for a convicted felon to own a gun at all? Or is that just a pistol? How about a rifle or a shotgun?

Also. What constitutes a felon?

Many thanks :)
 
Basically I guess, is it a crime for a convicted felon to own a gun at all? Or is that just a pistol? How about a rifle or a shotgun?

Also. What constitutes a felon?
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Yes, it's a crime for a felon to have possession of a firearm at all, even if it doesn't belong to him. All firearms, not just handguns.

Felons are defined depending on the state. In Texas for example if you are convicted of a crime for which you COULD have been sentenced to one year or more of jail, you're a felon. (If I remember right)
 
This applies even if the felon is a legal gun owner before he commits a felony.

After they are ajudicated in court for a felony they have to get rid of their guns otherwise it is against the law for them to posess them.
 
And this is for life? Seems a bit harsh.

I did some things Im not proud of when I was young - 25 years ago - and I'm allowed my shotguns here in Great Britain.

Whats to say a man hasn't changed his ways in 25 years? Especially if the crimes didnt involve violence.
 
There are many of us in the gun community that agree with what you're saying. Personally, if someone is a felon for evading taxes or for other non-violent things, while I think they should be punished, they should not lose firearms for life. OTOH, anyone convicted of rape or other violent crimes shouldn't be allowed to touch firearms. Just my HO.
 
And this is for life? Seems a bit harsh.

I did some things Im not proud of when I was young - 25 years ago - and I'm allowed my shotguns here in Great Britain.

Whats to say a man hasn't changed his ways in 25 years? Especially if the crimes didnt involve violence.
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It is possible to get a judge to restore your rights in some cases. It's expensive but it's doable.

But yes, it's a bit ridiculous.
 
And this is for life? Seems a bit harsh.
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A misdemeanor is a lesser crime, and only requires a judge to find you guilty. These usually don't make you lose your firearm rights.

A felony is a more serious crime, ranging from battery to fraud to murder, and requires a jury of 12 to convict you, and if you can't afford an attorney the government has to provide you with one. We recently had a discussion about this, and I think the majority of felons are back in prison within 3 years.

Whats to say a man hasn't changed his ways in 25 years? Especially if the crimes didnt involve violence.
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I agree non-violent crimes like copyright infringmenet shouldn't be punished that severely. That said, you probably didn't commit a felony.
 
I've often said that having a carry license is a little bit like being on probation.

Sure makes you a better driver, I tell you whut.
 
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