Very Good Fable regarding Illeagals!

[borrowedtime69]

I got this story by email and wanted to share it, share it with your freinds .

The Back Yard Lesson

I bought a bird feeder. I hung it on my back porch and filled it with seed.
Within a week we had hundreds of birds taking advantage of the continuous
flow of free and easily accessible food. But then the birds started building
nests in the boards of the patio, above the table, and next to the barbecue.


Then came the poop. It was everywhere: on the patio tile, the chairs, the
table...everywhere. Then some of the birds turned mean: They would dive bomb me and try to peck me even though I had fed them out of my own pocket. And others birds were boisterous and loud: They sat on the feeder and squawked and screamed at all hours of the day and night and demanded that I fill it when it got low on food. After a while, I couldn't even sit on my own back porch anymore. I took down the bird feeder and in three days the birds were gone. I cleaned up th eir mess and took down the many nests they had built all over the patio. Soon, the back yard was like it used to be...quiet, serene and no one demanding their rights to a free meal.

Now lets see...our government gives out free food, subsidized housing,
free medical care, free education and allows anyone born here to be a
automatic citizen. Then the illegals came by the tens of thousands. Suddenly
our taxes went up to pay for free services; small apartments are housing 5
families: you have to wait 6 hours to be seen by an emergency room doctor:
you child's 2nd grade class is behind other schools because over half the
class doesn't speak English: Corn Flakes now come in a bilingual box; I have
to press "one" to hear my bank talk to me in English, and people waving
flags other than "Old Glory" are squawking and screaming in the streets,
demanding more rights and free liberties. Maybe it's time for the government
to take down the bird feeder.
Author Unknown

-Eric

 

[Sindawe]

Maybe it's time for the government
to take down the bird feeder.

Or get some some hungry cats.

 

[grampster]

Heh, Heh. That's a good analogy regarding birds vs the welfare system.
It seems like there is a price to pay when a hand up becomes a handout.

Swmbo and I put two feeders out on the deck this past winter and two flocks of song sparrows hung out all winter. They pooped all over the deck and began roosting under the deck and pooped all over my stored flower pots, hoses, wheelbarrow and assorted other yard stuff that I store there in the winter. I've had to power wash the whole area. The dropped seeds attracted squirrels and a rabbit who also took up residence under the deck. The rabbit gnawed the lattice in a couple of areas to enlarge the entryway because he got so fat off the seed he could hardly walk.

 

[DogBonz]

or...

build the bird feeder 12" off of the ground.... Make it a combination bird feeder cat feeder (tim allen)

 

[Smokehouse]

Excellent story. Glaring truth makes the best fables. My complements to the author.

 

[JCF]

you child's 2nd grade class is behind other schools because over half the class doesn't speak English

Yes, absolutely infuriating; "Illeagals" coming over the border and damaging the quality of our education system to the extent that "you child's 2nd grade class is behind other schools..."

Terrible... the way they won't even learn to read, write and talk good American like the rest of us.

 

[El Tejon]

Was this taken from Jeff Cooper's hummingbird feeder lesson?

 

[Malone LaVeigh]

Make it a combination bird feeder cat feeder (tim allen)

A great way to have a bird AND cat problem. And yes, I'm still in the metaphor.

 

[quatin]

Welfare compromises 1% of the national budget. Social Security and medicare/medicaid sucks the rest of the human services budget. I highly doubt that taxes went up because of welfare.

 

[Colt]

I highly doubt that taxes went up because of welfare.

The cost of unchecked, illegal immigration isn't limited to the increased welfare coffers.

The ancillary costs are apparent in:
Higher property taxes -build more schools, hire more teachers, bolster the police, EMS and fire departments, social services offices, more government staff, etc... 5 families renting a single house, and sending 16 kids to the public school while paying only 1 property's worth of taxes. When the teacher has to slow down, repeat information, and allow immigrant children to set the pace for the class, who's education suffers?
Healthcare premiums. Does anyone else scratch their heads at the Blue Cross commercials which boast of their community outreach program to provide no-cost healthcare to "those who can't afford it"? Who do you think is paying for those "free" services Blue Cross generously offers? You are, through higher premiums.
Income tax Immigrant workers aren't all paid individually by employers. Typically a farmer will pay one "boss" immigrant for a single job. Pick so many acres of produce for x amount of dollars. It's all legit, and the boss has a green card or is otherwise legal to work in the US. The boss then gets 15 of his buddies to actually do the work, and pays them a fraction of minimum wage, cash. The farmer hasn't done anything illegal, technically, and he just got his lettuce picked for pennies on the dollar.

These are just a few examples of the true cost of illegal immigration. There are many other "costs", both monetary and otherwise.

 

[wingman]

The total cost of illegal immigration is not only in terms of dollars but overall
quality of life in terms of crime, reduced wages, etc. One factor is total
population we now have 300 million people at what point do we have enough,
how much freedom will be lost with another 100 million, no doubt in my opinion
there will be a breaking point. Corporations want cheaper labor unconcerned
about the impact on society now or in the future. Illegal immigration appears
like a win win for the wealthy, contractors, and our government but again
make no mistake the impact is just beginning to be noticed.

 

[JCF]

The cost of unchecked, illegal immigration isn't limited to the increased welfare coffers.

You are correct; illegal immigration exacts a toll on society… but it would be beneficial to our cause to get the information correct so as not to continually fulfill the stereotype of ignorance that so many have of us.

There are plenty of reasons to oppose illegal immigration, and plenty of arguments that can be made in defense of that position, but financial benefit isn’t one of them.

The ancillary costs are apparent in:
Higher property taxes -build more schools, hire more teachers, bolster the police, EMS and fire departments, social services offices, more government staff, etc... 5 families renting a single house, and sending 16 kids to the public school while paying only 1 property's worth of taxes. When the teacher has to slow down, repeat information, and allow immigrant children to set the pace for the class, who's education suffers?

Communities, and their infrastructure, are funded by a great deal more than simply property taxes (which incidentally are paid by property OWNERS not RENTERS). In the final analysis, illegal immigration has represented an overall financial BENEFIT, not detriment, to the country, and has bolstered the development of industry. It is the express reason why efforts at enforcement of immigration policies have been at best half-hearted for so very long. There is a pronounced financial disadvantage to stopping the flow of illegal immigrants.

Healthcare premiums. Does anyone else scratch their heads at the Blue Cross commercials which boast of their community outreach program to provide no-cost healthcare to "those who can't afford it"? Who do you think is paying for those "free" services Blue Cross generously offers? You are, through higher premiums.

Outreach programs provided by health insurance companies do not result in higher premiums to subscribers. Boards of Directors are quite adamant in ensuring this.

Outreach programs by large insurance companies are generally benevolence programs; viz., they are provided through agreements with local community organizations, medical schools, staff physicians, etc. in much the same way that physicians are provided to organizations like Doctors Without Borders. Many insurance companies operate their outreach programs as private non-profit organizations; which mandates their participation in fundraising in order to cover operational costs. Outreach programs LOWER and PROTECT premiums to subscribers by decreasing the likelihood that indigent persons will utilize emergent hospital services (eg: providing diabetes care BEFORE it results in an ER visit for hypoglycemia, etc.). Insurance companies do not pay for uninsured and indigent patients utilizing medical services. Hospitals and healthcare providers absorb this expense, and factor it into their overall operating costs. The costs eventually get passed along in higher billing of services to insured patients. Thus, as long as there are indigent in our society, it is beneficial, and cost effective, for everyone involved if insurance companies provide outreach healthcare programs to them so as to prevent more costly use of emergency services later.

Income tax Immigrant workers aren't all paid individually by employers. Typically a farmer will pay one "boss" immigrant for a single job. Pick so many acres of produce for x amount of dollars. It's all legit, and the boss has a green card or is otherwise legal to work in the US. The boss then gets 15 of his buddies to actually do the work, and pays them a fraction of minimum wage, cash. The farmer hasn't done anything illegal, technically, and he just got his lettuce picked for a pennies on the dollar.

These are just a few examples of the true cost of illegal immigration. There are many other "costs", both monetary and otherwise.

Again, the availability of cheap, if illicit, labor has permitted the development and proliferation of many different labor-based services and industries during a time when such growth should have been severely hampered.

Is this “right”? No, likely not. But arguing that illegal immigration is making us poor is like arguing that selling cocaine is doing similarly.

It might be a bad idea for any number of reasons, but it isn’t making us poor.

 

[Titan6]

Did the birds pick your tomatoes, mow your grass, watch your kids, clean your office and wash your car? I doubt it...

We are in most interesting rat race these days. Both parents now have to work (has to being relative of course) in order to support a lifestyle. This keeps wages low by expanding the labor market. Immigrants are paid to do the jobs that no one will do for much less than the legal amount and lowers the wages and expands the labor market. Wages keep getting lower... Therefore more often the other parent has to work to keep pace with inflation and a certain standard of living.

But what does this have to do with gun rights?

 

[Derek Zeanah]

If you used the Firefox browser, it might make you less likely to make mistakes like "Illeagals" in your titles.

 

[Colt]

Hospitals and healthcare providers absorb this expense, and factor it into their overall operating costs

And who pays the hospital and healthcare provider operating costs? We do, through healthcare premiums.

Blue Cross: "You deserve it; Everyone deserves it."

BS! I deserve it because I'm paying my premiums. Everyone else can pay their own way, thankyou.

 

[JCF]

But what does this have to do with gun rights?

Still nothing.

But if folks keep telling themselves they are at war with illegals long enough who knows??? Someone might actually believe it and someone else might get a chance to shoot at people. Everyone has to have a dream.

 

[Davo]

Very off topic, this thread needs to be closed.

 

[JCF]

And who pays the hospital and healthcare provider operating costs? We do, through healthcare premiums.

Blue Cross: "You deserve it; Everyone deserves it."

BS! I deserve it because I'm paying my premiums. Everyone else can pay their own way, thankyou.

Yes. And you will always pay so long as there are indigent in this country (the VAST majority of whom are American born citizens) and federal laws protecting their RIGHT to emergent healthcare. Thus, it is in YOUR best interest to support the outreach initiatives by insurance providers (which DO NOT impact your premiums) that serve to lower the likelihood that the indigent will use services of a hospital (which DO impact your premiums).

 

[GTSteve03]

But what does this have to do with gun rights?

*Ahem*

From the forum title:

Get informed on issues affecting the right to keep and bear arms and other civil rights. Coordinate activism, debate with allies and opponents. Discuss laws concerning firearm ownership, concealed carry and self-defense.

Personally, I don't like the influx of illegals but I think we have bigger problems in this country right now.

 

[wingman]

illegal immigration has represented an overall financial BENEFIT, not detriment, to the country,

Simply not so, it is shown in a number of reports the average illegal in his/her
life time will use more benefits then produced. Yes, illegals help the wealthy
and employers but not your average joe.

You are correct; illegal immigration exacts a toll on society… but it would be beneficial to our cause to get the information correct so as not to continually fulfill the stereotype of ignorance that so many have of us.

So it would appear your info is correct and anyone stating different is filling
the stereotype of ignorance on this subject. Interesting,do you employee illegals.?

But if folks keep telling themselves they are at war with illegals long enough who knows??? Someone might actually believe it and someone else might get a chance to shoot at people. Everyone has to have a dream.

Excellent with this statement you lost all crediability. Rethink your idea of funny.

 

[Colt]

I'm not at war with anyone. But after living in CA for 4 years, I knew all I needed to know about illegal immigration. I'm not ignorant, I'm experienced. First-hand experienced.

Luckily, we moved to PA before my children were old enough to be directly affected. Things aren't perfect here, either, but they're much better. (for now)

 

[JCF]

Simply not so, it is shown in a number of reports the average illegal in his/her life time will use more benefits then produced. Yes, illegals help the wealthy and employers but not your average joe.

And of course we are all aware that benefit to employers is somehow of no benefit to the "average joe" correct? Please.

So it would appear your info is correct and anyone stating different is filling the stereotype of ignorance on this subject. Interesting,do you employee illegals.?

No. And no. If you choose to exercise the right to air your beliefs and opinions in a public forum you may wish to prepare yourself for the eventuality that some may take you to task for them. Deal.

Excellent with this statement you lost all crediability. Rethink your idea of funny.

It's not funny. Not in the slightest. It's a very disappointing observation of the generally irresponsible tone of many of our members. And yes, if you'd like I can provide you with examples. With all due respect, I'm not overly concerned with your interpretation of my credibility.

 

[Dravur]

Quote: Communities, and their infrastructure, are funded by a great deal more than simply property taxes (which incidentally are paid by property OWNERS not RENTERS). In the final analysis, illegal immigration has represented an overall financial BENEFIT, not detriment, to the country :Quote

There are so many errors in this one statement that I cannot even believe it myself....
While it is true that Owners pay property taxes, the property owner passes along his costs to the renter or he will lose money. ergo, the renter is in fact, paying property taxes, just to the owner first who passes it off to the guv. This is in fact exactly the same as Corporate Taxes, which are paid for by the corporations customers. Remember this next time a lib spouts off how we should tax Wal-mart more.

Now, as to the whopper that illegals pay their share of taxes and are not a net drain on our economy? If a family comes here, and puts just 2 kids in school at a net cost of $7k each, how much do you think those same illegals have to make just to make up for this one cost? this does not cover the costs of illegals in our justice system and the costs associated with the crimes they have commited. Now, if you think the value of the lettuce picked or the nails pounded makes up for the deficit, don't believe it. These are the low paying jobs. the value of the labor is therefore also low.

Now, I happen to work in an ancillary role to the construction industry. It used to be that construction paid a very decent wage and the jobs they provided were decent paying american jobs. Now that the illegals here are depressing wages for these very same jobs.

I happen to be a total free market conservative and want the most competitive prices and wages for every job out there, but this throws a monkey wrench into the equation. When these people steal another's SS number, causing that person time and money to straighten this out and cause the numerous problems associated with them, my only recourse is to kick them out of the country or lock them up.

 

[Glock Glockler]

Communities, and their infrastructure, are funded by a great deal more than simply property taxes (which incidentally are paid by property OWNERS not RENTERS)

Oh, so if property taxes shoot up I am not going to be paying more in rent?

In the final analysis, illegal immigration has represented an overall financial BENEFIT, not detriment, to the country, and has bolstered the development of industry

Evidence please.

It is the express reason why efforts at enforcement of immigration policies have been at best half-hearted for so very long

Wow, and I was thinking that politicians want more voters who will votes for doles and therefore keep them in office, and that businesses could get the benefit of cheap labor while taxpayers pick up the cost.

The costs eventually get passed along in higher billing of services to insured patients

Shocking!

Thus, as long as there are indigent in our society, it is beneficial, and cost effective, for everyone involved if insurance companies provide outreach healthcare programs to them so as to prevent more costly use of emergency services later

Ok, so the unskilled people who are making less than minimum wage and are therefore more dependant on govt services are a benefit to our economy because of outreach programs, even though they can just go to the emergency room and not be turned away, even if it is for a sprained ankle?

Again, the availability of cheap, if illicit, labor has permitted the development and proliferation of many different labor-based services and industries during a time when such growth should have been severely hampered

That's great, yet the taxpayer has to pick up the tab on govt services. With illegals making relatively little and govt services costing a whole lot it doesnt take very much for a lettuce picker to become a net economic liability. The fact that wages have been lowered due to illegal labor means that people on the dole have less reason to get off the dole and work. We have plenty of untapped labor in the country, we just have to stop paying them not to work. If someone is dependant on welfare and don't know that they can make a living on their own they will continue to vote for it.

But what does this have to do with gun rights?

The more people that we import who are dependant on govt the more govt will grow, and Democrats will specifically get a disproportionate benefit, does it affect you now?

What about how increased population will affect undeveloped land that hunting can happen on? Hunting, while not essential for RBKA culture, hunting culture certainly helps the growth and maintenence of RKBA culture. I know a great many people who have gotten into shooting because they were exposed to guns via hunting.

And of course we are all aware that benefit to employers is somehow of no benefit to the "average joe" correct? Please

The benefits are disproportionately in favor of the companies hiring the illegals for cheap, I might get lower price on my deck, assuming that I am one of the persons buying that product, but everyone paying taxes is going to pay for the illegal's govt services whether they like it or not. With govt services you pay far beyond what the market wold charge but with illegals increasing the available labor supply you will only get the change that the market will accept. Govt costs are greater than market costs, and the taxpayer gets to pay the higher one.

 

[1911Tuner]

Birds

EL-T wondered:

>Was this taken from Jeff Cooper's hummingbird feeder lesson?<
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Possibly a spinoff...and I wondered the same thing. Also possibly first-hand experience that resulted in the bird-feeder builder not only learnin' not to build'em too close to his house, but was also able to extrapolate a lesson in how the welfare state operates.

FWIW...Cooper was right. Put up a few Hummer feeders and watch'em. Vicious little buggers! Looks like a WW1 aerial dogfight.