Victory in Senate Has Anti-gun Groups Demanding 'Stronger' Ban

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Victory in Senate Has Anti-gun Groups Demanding 'Stronger' Ban

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Victory in Senate Has Anti-gun Groups Demanding 'Stronger' Ban
Susan Jones, CNSNews.com
Thursday, March 4, 2004
Gun control groups not only want Congress to pass an extension of the 1994 ban on "assault weapons," they also want the ban to be "strengthened."

They said they were heartened by this week's gun control votes in the U.S. Senate.

The Washington-based Violence Policy Center accuses the gun industry of "willfully circumventing federal law" by modifying a new generation of weapons and renaming them "post-ban" or "after-ban" assault weapons.


Such weapons are perfectly legal under the ban on so-called "assault weapons." But Violence Policy Center accuses the gun industry of evading the intent of Congress by "making minor cosmetic changes and producing 'clones' and 'knock-off' versions to continue to sell for profit at the expense of public safety."

The group singled out six Illinois gun makers that manufacture "post-ban assault weapons." It said a new study showed that Illinois had more "post-ban" assault weapon manufacturers than any other state.


Even if the U.S. Senate had passed an extension of the semi-automatic weapons ban, "the extension would do nothing to curtail Illinois unique distinction of being number one in manufacturing these deadly assault weapons," said Thom Mannard, executive director of Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence.

Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence says renewing the ban on "assault weapons" will be its highest priority for the coming months.

Kerry's Position

In a press release, the group praised Sen. John Kerry for speaking "loud and clear on what America should be doing to reduce gun violence." On Tuesday, Kerry voted in favor of an amendment that would have extended the Clinton-era ban on "military-style assault weapons."

That amendment contributed to the defeat of a larger bill that would have protected gun makers from politically motivated lawsuits intended to drive them out of business.

Brady Campaign President Michael Barnes praised "police leaders, crime victims and elected leaders of both parties" for "standing up and rejecting the extremist agenda of the National Rifle Association's leadership."


The fact that the Senate passed an amendment extending the ban on "assault weapons" shows that "commonsense gun safety laws are back on the national agenda," Barnes said.

"As of today, these military-style weapons of destruction are only outlawed in this country for 195 more days," he warned. "Our priority in those 195 days is to work with police, Congress and the American public to make sure this ban remains in effect. To let it expire would be an outrage."


In the weeks ahead, anti-gun advocates will be preparing for a second "Million Mom March" on May 9 in Washington, D.C. They're calling it "the Mother's Day March to Halt the Assault." Activists will call on Congress to reauthorize and strengthen the assault weapons ban, Brady Campaign said.

'Fraud'

The Clinton-era ban on "assault weapons" is a total fraud and should be allowed to lapse, Second Amendment groups say.


"Even before the Clinton ban was enacted, federal surveys showed that violent criminals carried a 'military-type gun' only in about one percent of the crimes nationwide," Erich Pratt, Gun Owners of America's director of communications, said in a recent press release.

Gun owners object to the ban because it arbitrarily outlaws a certain group of guns based on how they look: characteristics that give them a "military-style" appearance.


Equally offensive to some gun owners is the fact that the government is deciding which guns have "legitimate" uses: the argument that "you don't need an assault weapon to go hunting."

One Second Amendment group recently rejected that "guns-for-hunting" argument.

"The Second Amendment is not, and never has been, about shooting ducks, deer, clay targets or tin cans," Alan Gottlieb, chairman of Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, said in a recent press release.

"It's about personal defense, homeland security, and resisting tyranny."

Another argument holds that by rallying Americans against "assault" weapons first, gun control groups will find it that much easier to achieve their ultimate goal of eventually outlawing all guns.
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dont slack off folks. other side is working hard to get what they want.
wise hunter friends to kennedy and his Armor piercing armor ammendment for "Sniper Rifles" and "Assault Weapons". remind them no one will ban theyre hunting rifles they will call them Sniper rifles first. well they have been called sniper rifles now.

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just curious has anyone heard of some environmentalist or pro animal rights folk shooting at hunters during legal season? kinda interested in articles of those.
 
The Washington-based Violence Policy Center accuses the gun industry of "willfully circumventing federal law" by modifying a new generation of weapons and renaming them "post-ban" or "after-ban" assault weapons.
Yeah, and I "willfully circumvented" the speed limit by driving 54 in a 55 mph zone. :rolleyes:
 
Dude, for real. . . . . seriously.

I was 15 years old in 1993, and even I remember hearing AND writing that the same guns would be made with a few unimportant features changed if that ban passed. DUH.
 
The Washington-based Violence Policy Center accuses the gun industry of "willfully circumventing federal law" by modifying a new generation of weapons and renaming them "post-ban" or "after-ban" assault weapons.

What a load of BS. They are completly legal- would you rather us to be "I-know-an-assault-weapon-when-I-see-one" types, and not manufacture those "scary guns"? This touches directly on the stupidity of the ban- the pre- and post- ban versions have absolutely NO FUNCTIONAL DIFFERENCE.
:barf:

Edited to inclued barf
 
What irks me is that if the media did any fact checking at all, they would have stopped parroting VPC press releases a long time ago. I haven't heard anything issued by these knuckleheads in the past 2 years that would stand up to even the most cursury of inspections.

Of course, that would be assuming that the major media cared about the hard, factual truth, when we all know all they are really worried abour is their version of the truth.
 
Don't these people have better things to do like sue beer companies who's products kill more people than assault rifles and ruin more lives. They should limit all beer to light beer with only 1% alcohol so no one gets drunk or they have to drink a ton to get drunk. Or perhaps they should try to ban handguns that account for 98% of all firearm related crimes.
 
What irks me is that if the media did any fact checking at all, they would have stopped parroting VPC press releases a long time ago.

No they wouldn't ... I believe most in the media know they are lying about guns.

Its called Propaganda :fire:
 
Amish,

Don't these people have better things to do like sue beer companies who's products kill more people than assault rifles and ruin more lives. They should limit all beer to light beer with only 1% alcohol so no one gets drunk or they have to drink a ton to get drunk. Or perhaps they should try to ban handguns that account for 98% of all firearm related crimes.

So, you think it's ok to limit some freedoms based on what people who are twisted "might" do, but not your freedom to do what you choose?

Do I have this right? Your personal beliefs should dictate what others are denied access to? Prohibition has been tried, and it failed. As a matter of fact, a lot of those out of work treasury agents became gun law enforcers. Check history, man. Denying something to the common man makes it more attractive, not less.

That said, I agree that these people need to find something better to do. Maybe we should take them to the shooting range? :neener:
 
But Violence Policy Center accuses the gun industry of evading the intent of Congress by "making minor cosmetic changes and producing 'clones' and 'knock-off' versions to continue to sell for profit


"SELL FOR PROFIT?!?!?" :eek:

Omigawd, using the "P-word" is the liberal equivalent of dropping the "F-bomb." :uhoh:



:D
 
Read the first part of my sig. Well, the second part is good too, but the first part is particularly relevant.

I should add that they should ban all cars with more than two of the following features:

1.) rear spoiler
2.) rocker panels/ ground effects
3.) oversized muffler/ the tin can exhaust
4.) low profile tires
5.) stickers on your windshield that say things backwords so that people
know to let you pass when they see you in their rearview.
6.) neon colored lights that glow from under a car
7.) racing seats

Finally, no car shall be produced with more than, oh, I don't know, let me just pick any old number, ummm, one hundred and fifty horsepower. Yep, why would anyone need more than one hundred and fifty horsepower unless you were going to street race or go on some crazy cannonball run.

It's for the children...er, I mean, for the working class/ soccer moms, yeah, sorry, I can never stay up to date with the buzz words...
 
It'd be hysterically funny if the mainstream media weren't so influential. I mean, really. The difference between a Remington detachable box-magazine fed gas-operated .308 rifle and one by Springfield Armory is cosmetic. They both operate in the same manner, and the effect on the target (which is putatively what the grabbers are interested in) is exactly the same. The difference is.... COSMETIC! Hello? Anybody in there????
 
Quick Draw:

Don't forget rear tires/wheels that are more than 2 sizes larger than the fronts...

:what:
 
Letting them know that there is no practical difference between the power of an FAL and a Remington 7400 in .308 will only encourage them to also ban the Remington.
Don't go to the cosmetic issue for that reason,simply assert that banning any of them is wrong, and try to take the moral high ground.
Military weapons are MORE justifiable to own than hunting weapons. We need to force them to try for all weapons, as Senator Kennedy did with his ammunition ban.
 
Amish wrote:
Don't these people have better things to do like sue beer companies who's products kill more people than assault rifles and ruin more lives. They should limit all beer to light beer with only 1% alcohol so no one gets drunk or they have to drink a ton to get drunk. Or perhaps they should try to ban handguns that account for 98% of all firearm related crimes.

No. No. No. If all beer was only 1%, people would drink lots and lots in an attempt to get drunk. Imagine the damage to the kidneys long term. Then we would have to pay for their healthcare, including very expensive kidney dialysis.
 
Such weapons are perfectly legal under the ban on so-called "assault weapons." But Violence Policy Center accuses the gun industry of evading the intent of Congress by "making minor cosmetic changes and producing 'clones' and 'knock-off' versions to continue to sell for profit at the expense of public safety."

No one can really say they came up with this idea completely on their own. Since the ban, WE have all been saying one of the reasons it is stupid is because flash suppressors, bayonet lugs, evil looking pistol grips, folding stocks, etc. have no affect on the fuction of the firearm. I guess they believe us now. They are now addressing this by attempting to ban MORE guns that before.

Another argument WE make is that the so-called "assualt weapons" are not as powerful as some common "hunting" rifle. Senator Kennedy is proof they are starting to believe this too. They are now addressing this by attempting to ban MORE guns than before.

Before the 1994 ban, the definition of "assault rifle" included the words "select fire" or "automatic". In 1994 the term was redefined to demonize certain additional firearms. Now they want to expand the legal definition to include many currently legal firearms. The matter is only worse when MANY OWNERS OF CURRENTLY LEGAL FIREARMS NOT DEFINED AS ASSUALT RIFLES CONTINUE TO REFER TO THEIR POST 1994 RIFLES AS "ASSUALT RIFLE". How many times have you heard "post ban assault rifle"? They are now trying to ban more guns by expanding the definition (also known as "strengthening" the ban) of "assualt weapon" to include rifles MANY GUN OWNERS ARE REFERING TO AS "ASSUALT WEAPONS"

Just as before, when they get their "strengthened" ban, they will still not be happy. They will always try to "strengthen" it more. They won't even stop if they can ban them all. Information on firearms (libraries, book stores, internet, etc.) and the means to manufacture them (machine shops, common tools, pipe, etc.) will be restricted to stop "black market" manufacturing. Next, people with knowledge of firearms or skilled in the use will be watched carefully (ex military, ex police, individuals who owned firearms before the "big ban", individuals who have checked out library books or visited web sites dealing with such topics, etc.).

Yes, the last paragraph gets a little "extreme". But so is the idea of banning firearms.
 
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