VID: Kid shoots himself with a Full-Auto Glock.

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I know a few people including myself with hundreds or thousands of rounds through Glock 18's. Any USPSA "C" class or better shooter will have no problem keeping an entire magazine on an IPSC target at 15 yards on FA, using contemporary pistol technique.
 
One user asked me for corroborating evidence that escaping gas will bust your thumb.
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I'm sorry, but I meant the part about that being the reason for the Nagant's gas seal system.
I'll surely believe hot gas can hurt you.
 
Those can be very accurate in bursts of full auto fire, and fairly accurate in constant full auto with practice and a good strong grip.

The grip came off in the video, it may have came off from no fault of his own. This could have happened to anyone holding it that way if that is the case.

Some are questioning whether he was shot?
He clearly has a gunshot wound in his hand at the end of the video. Unlike the movies real life wounds don't tend to start pouring blood from most locations until several seconds have gone by. Bullet holes also tend to close up right afterwards, so they appear even smaller than they are.
I have seen torso wounds that look little worse than an insect bite from the outside.
 
<i>Thanks for pointing this out. I hadn't thought about this, but it would probably rule out shooting a revolver from a retention position - unless you just had no other choice. I suppose if it was an extreme situation, and you had enough clothing between you and the blast, you could get away with it. But it sounds like it wouldn't be a good thing to practice.</i>

In my old job (before we got the G22) we carried S&W 66's for the most part. If you had to maintain retention on the weapon, yes, sometimes you had to grab the weapon by the cylinder. But a burned and scarred hand beats the heck out of dying. FWIW, if I am unarmed vs. bad guy with a hand gun, I would rather take my chanced with him having a wheelgun over a semi-auto any day. A scary thought no matter what the BG has....
 
The main concern I would have with contacting the slide in that manner is slowing the cycling and causing a failure. It may never happen at the range, but you do odd things under stress.
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I've thought about this, since I shoot my 1911s with a high thumb grip. While at the range one day I tried to slow the slide down enough with my thumb to cause a malfunction, with a 4" kimber. It didnt happen, it probably would with a weak recoil spring though, I was hearing the BOOM-chuck. My recoil spring in the 5" 1911s get changed around 2k, when there's still a lot of life left in them. The 3.5" and 4" get new springs within 500 rounds.

My Ciener is a completely different story though, lol. I'm so used to feeling the slide drag my thumb I dont notice it. Took me a while to figure out why it wouldnt cycle completely at all when I first used it...

The only pistol thats ever cut me when shooting high-thumb was a BHP.
 
i watched the video zoomed in and in slow motion.... looks like he did shoot himself. hand in front of muzzle while slide was moving.
 
If he'd been pulling back with his left hand, and pushing forward with his right, there wouldn't have been a problem. Instead, he was pushing forward with his left (doubtless with enough force to cause problems), and pulling back with his right. When things went, he left hand went forward and up, and the pistol came back and down.

Exact opposite of what he should have been doing.
 
He most certainly shot himself. Depending on the resolution of your monitor, and what kind of video card you are running you may or may not be able to see it. The hole in the webbing of this hand is most clearly visible an instant before he leaves the frame, when his arm is pointing towards the camera and away from the firing line. Judging by the length of time his hand was in front of the muzzle while he was still firing, I wonder if he shot himself more than once.

Now if anyone here has been shot and can attest to being very calm afterwards, with a 9mm hole in their body, maybe I'll believe he actually got shot.
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I saw a woman shoot herself in the foot with a 22 Ruger Mk II a couple of years ago. The only thing she said she felt was anger an embarrassment, the pain didn't come until a couple of hours later in the hospital.
 
Now if anyone here has been shot and can attest to being very calm afterwards, with a 9mm hole in their body, maybe I'll believe he actually got shot.
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I've never had the joy of being shot, but I can attest from personal experience in a motorcycle accident that adrenaline is an amazing thing. When I went down, I separated my left AC joint, fractured my scapula, and broke a finger to boot. Once I stopped rolling, I hopped right up, pulled of my helmet and gloves, and cussed a fair amount. I didn't feel any pain until I was about halfway to the hospital, and by the time I got there I was gritting my teeth and quite eager to get some good stuff in my veins.
 
Sure looks like he got shot to me, might not have hit any bone though...
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...I can attest from personal experience in a motorcycle accident that adrenaline is an amazing thing.
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I can attest to this too, the shock of some sudden serious injuries don't really hurt at all, more of a surreal sensation. I've been shot by a cheap Crossman BB gun at close range, right in the finger... hurt like #$@!$%!. I was also hit by a 45 mph buss while bicycling, right in the butt. The impact knocked me out of my shoes and threw me 40ft through the air without losing consciousness... no pain till a few hours later.

It's like the CNS has a circuit breaker or something.
 
Hmm. Full auto?

1) I didn't see full-auto shooting in that video, unless it was the first 'trigger' pull. It could've been mislabeled a 'glock 18' in the video, maybe?
2) I didn't see him shoot himself. I saw the front broomstick handle come off in recoil, and saw his hand get hurt as a result - he dropped it on the floor as he turned. Was there a hole in his hand I missed?

Yeah, those things are illegal on pistols, but I'm certain a lot of people put them on their front rails. "Hey, they mate properly - they look like they were made for each other - and it'd help tame recoil." I can see how and why it'd be done.

Next time, use locktite. :)

(Side note: that was much less gruesome than I was expecting. Much. I was expecting something like a thorough leg perforation.)
 
At he start of the video, you see someone lean over and push the selector switch (it's one of those backplate conversions) over to the full-auto position, and then he starts rocking out short bursts. What scared the heck out of me was when he spun around with the loaded pistol in his hand and appeared to sweep anyone to the right of the camera.
 
He shot himself. all right. I think they were all cops.

BTW- Many shooting victims are reported to exhibit minimal effect from the wound(s). One story of a comp shooter who put a round the length of his calf and wrapped a towel around his leg to finish the match.

Many gunfight participants don't even know they've been hit until they see the blood later.

BTW2- I can't imagine a more seriously flawed and useless gun than a full-auto pistol like that. What the Hell good is it except to spray bullets in all directions at a high rate of speed?
 
the cop in the "only one professional enough" vid shot himself too

And he wanted to handle even more guns.
Now if anyone here has been shot and can attest to being very calm afterwards, with a 9mm hole in their body, maybe I'll believe he actually got shot.
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I saw a guy calmly die right in front of me with a few bullet holes in him.
 
I saw and learned essentially nothing from this vid. My only thought and question was, where did these yahoos get a Glock 18? They are very expensive and not exactly sold at your corner gun store no? PS, if you look at just the last few frames of the vid, it does appear like there is a hole in the middle of his hand as he turns, but you can only see it for a fraction, so it's hard to be sure.
 
One story of a comp shooter who put a round the length of his calf and wrapped a towel around his leg to finish the match.
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To me that sounds like Urban Myth. Any event I've ever been to the contestant would have been DQ'd. (Many times they are DQ'd for much lesser infractions that actually shooting themselves) Furthermore, if he wasn't, I would think the other contestants would have reason to not continue and/or protest to have him removed.

Funny video anyway.
 
I saw and learned essentially nothing from this vid. My only thought and question was, where did these yahoos get a Glock 18? They are very expensive and not exactly sold at your corner gun store no? PS, if you look at just the last few frames of the vid, it does appear like there is a hole in the middle of his hand as he turns, but you can only see it for a fraction, so it's hard to be sure.
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Like everyone is saying, it isn't a Glock 18, but a conversion kit. They're sold by a couple companies, and there are also detailed autocad files and other blueprints out there regarding how someone would make one, for informational purposes only. :cool:
 
When shooting a revolver, DO NOT allow any part of your body be covered by any part of the cylinder.
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That's overstated. The gap is not a muzzle. The barrel/cylinder gap does release high pressure gas, but the danger comes into play when people GRIP it there or have a thumb next to the gap. The gap does not present a danger "downrange" to either side, nor does it present a danger when shot from a proper retention position. Proper wheelgun technique does indeed include "covering" yourself with the b/c gap for such functions as emptying brass and reloading. It's only dangerous if you've got a digit right next to it when firing.
 
Here's my opinion.... and I might be wrong becasue i'm young and still fairly new to firearms in general.

1) Stray Bullets
Um... even if you were in a tactical situation or whatever you'd use this for, there's a lot of control loss. If you're in ANY situation you need as much control as you can get to not be firing off rounds that are going past your target and hitting undesired targets. This seems like a useless gun in my opinion.

2) The need?
If you're in the kind of situation that calls for an AUTOMATIC WEAPON.... there has to be a better option than this. If you're in tight quarters then you need to still have someone armed with an automatic rifle instead of an automatic pistol. your tight quarter room sweeping needs to take place with units armed with handguns to have control of tight quarters, and rifles for longer shots.
I would rather have 5 guys with a mix of shotguns, rifles, and handguns in ANY situation, than 1 or 2 guys relying on an automatic handgun.

3) Recoil
I don't care if it's a 9mm even! The recoil of busing off 3 to 5 shots per QUICK squeeze, and over 10 rounds for an average squeeze is ridiculous and excessive. The tenancy of the nose to rise screams imminent danger.

I have so many other feelings on this but jsut don't feel like typing them.
The only thing this gun would be good for, in my opinion, is a "how fast can you put 20 holes in that sheet of plywood" competition, which should be held in a VERY VERY VERY SAFE LOCATION WHERE NO STRAY BULLETS COULD STRIKE ANY TARGET IN THE DISTANCE!!!!!

Safety first...... this gun doesn't even come close to safety in my mind.
And I'm not just talking about the poor handling of the guy in the video... I mean in general.
 
The guy is so casual when he answers if he's been shot, too.

"Did you get shot?"

"Yeah . . ."
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Not uncommon in my experience at all, the body's reaction to traumatic injury can be pretty surprising.

Some years ago a gentleman I was working with neatly removed two of his fingers with a hydraulic actuator. While I was staring bug-eyed at the digits on the floor, his response was to stand up and calmly say "Oh hell, hand me that towel and go get the truck now, please.". We had a normal conversation all the way to the ER and that was that. Amazing what adrenalin can do.
 
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