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Video of Officer Shot and Killed

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Strange. I don't know enough about police tactical SOP to comment beyond this bit- but, it boggles my mind that the officer sprayed the driver, and then turned his back and walked away.
 
I may know next to nothing, but that seems incredibly stupid.
 
I watched that video 5-6 times, and everything just seems to be wrong. I don't know much about the incident, but I'm wondering if the video is BS. A bystander picked up the officers gun and killed the suspect? The bystander would have to be extremely quick to get to the gun in time to shoot at a car driving away, then he'd have to be an incredible shot. I hope someone from that area can confirm or deny this story. If it's true, the office was way to careless which regrettably led to his death.
 
So what really happened, is the cop had some kind of personal beef with this citizen and figured he would just go pepper spray him because there was nothing the citizen could do about it?
 
Okay, I saw the other videos, and I saw more poor judgement on the officers part. How could you allow a suspicious person to approach you in your vehicle? I think everyone would agree that being seated in a vehicle put's you in a tactical disadvantage.

Based on the other videos, I also think the officer approached this car with the idea of punishing the kid by using the pepper spray, instead of using it to control the situation. How else could you explain the officers lackadaisical response, and lack of situational awareness. It's unfortunate, may the officer RIP.
 
I understand that this shooting was following a pursuit situation. In a pursuit case you have to remember several things #1 Why is the driver failing to comply? Could it be an outstanding warrant? Could he be wanted for a robbery or other violent crime. There could be drugs involved. Is the driver intoxicated? When the offender stops the officer can do things that will increase his survivability. #1 wait for backup to arrive. No excuse not to wait time is on the side of the officer. #2 Have the driver and passengers stay inside the vehicle until help arrives. #3 Take a defensive position with weapon drawn. #4 When help arrives conduct a felony vehicle stop removing the driver and all passengers securing each.
 
Holy cow. Never turn your back on people you make mad like that. You end up getting shot in the back. It happens to bad guys and good guys. (see page 3 for vid link http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=286786&highlight=albertsons)

Here is the description of the Kenney/McKay incident from a previous thread for Joe7cri.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=277011&highlight=kenney

As for the supposed personal beef issue, I can't tell that the cop had a personal beef per se, but he certainly had multiple encounters with a continued screw-up of a person. McKay even asked for a reduced sentence for McKay who was convicted of assault.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4FFsZ8B9G94&mode=related&search=

The personal beef is by Kenney, not McKay.
 
After seeing all the videos all I can really say is it seems the LEO discounted the shooter as a "threat" after the previous stops. What a sad story about complacency.
 
Concur with most of the above. I have not seen all of the videos (sloooooow satellite internet), but I've seen the one everyone has seen.

One thing he does right is he sprays and backs off. The reason you do this is that mace does not kick in right away. I would not want to spray him and stand there, next to his running motor vehicle, while he struggles with the effects of the spray.

However, he backed off the wrong way (forward instead of back), and he did not keep his eyes on the threat. Everything about the action spoke of complacency.

RIP.

Mike
 
Watched and studied the (4?) years old video of interactions. The kid was a real piece of work, and if I'd had any interaction with him, I'd be tempted to turn my back and walk away, too.

Evidently, from reading the local newspaper accounts, the kid was fleeing because he wanted to have another officer at the scene and the officer at the scene refused. Because of past (since four years ago) interactions with the officer, the kid felt unfairly targeted. Friends of the kid said he got the gun to "protect" himself from this officer.

Now, the early videos show us some insight into the mindset of the kid. Very odd individual.

As was stated, the real error was in turning away from this punk. A total waste of life.

If there is a lesson here, never underestimate the threat.
 
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As I understand it, The kid was authorized to have another officer present if this LEO hassled him again. LEO refused .The kid attempted to at least get to a place where he had witnesses.

As we are the high road, why is there immediate damnation for the kids actions without looking at the LEO's especially without a trial to sort it out.

LEO had previously lost control of the situation with the kid and when he finally realized what had happened, he broke the kids jaw overreacting.

The LEO maces the kid when he pulls over and is shot in self defense. End of story.

From watching the videos showing the LEO's interaction with the kid, the leo should have been put on leave to get more training for many reasons. Notice that the LEO tries to point his dashcam so it does not cover the vehicle at the beginning of one of the videos? The original story also pointed out that there were many more altercations between the two that were not on video.

Call it a failure of training. Call it a failure of leadership to shut down the fued before it got to hot, but do not even try to lay the blame on the kid alone. It takes two to tango
 
Yes, but it was the kid who was convicted of assault, not the LEO, in the previous instance.

The kid was the only one pulling the trigger and applying lethal force in a non lethal force situation that resulted in a murder.

Yes, it takes 2 to tango. You have the murderer and the victim.
 
As I understand it, The kid was authorized to have another officer present if this LEO hassled him again. LEO refused .The kid attempted to at least get to a place where he had witnesses.
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And for that the cop pepper sprayed him? Maybe. Could be that the kid acted like any cornered and wounded animal would after being attacked.

As we are the high road, why is there immediate damnation for the kids actions without looking at the LEO's especially without a trial to sort it out.
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Because there are a fair number of apologists here who think no cop is ever wrong no matter what they do. There are others who will always give the benefit of the doubt to the cop, but never to the citizen when these things happen. To be fair, there are also cop haters here too.

LEO had previously lost control of the situation with the kid and when he finally realized what had happened, he broke the kids jaw overreacting.
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Who knows what really happened. It does appear that some anger management classes were in order for both parties.

The LEO maces the kid when he pulls over and is shot in self defense. End of story.
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Not the end, only the beginning of the rest of the story.

From watching the videos showing the LEO's interaction with the kid, the leo should have been put on leave to get more training for many reasons. Notice that the LEO tries to point his dashcam so it does not cover the vehicle at the beginning of one of the videos? The original story also pointed out that there were many more altercations between the two that were not on video.

Call it a failure of training. Call it a failure of leadership to shut down the fued before it got to hot, but do not even try to lay the blame on the kid alone. It takes two to tango
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It is what happens when fallible human beings are put in positions of authority and power without effective oversight, and virtually no repercussions when they misbehave.

But I am not convinced any of it justifies shooting another human being who is not an imminent threat.
 
These series of videos were discussed at length in Legal and Political the other month. The discussion went no where good over there, but it was left open anyway.

The way the conversation is going here is not appropriate for S&T. Since we have very few Peace Officers here, it has little value for us to critique.

Because of the extensive background between the two in this story, we can't look at it in isolation from that history.


I'm closing this because I don't want to babysit a thread on an event that already has a history of getting very nasty, very quickly.
 
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