Views on Guns Changing in Philly?

[Glockman17366]

Remember, a gun purchased by a straw purchaser can be traced back to that purchaser. And, that happens... The problem was it was never enforced with any zeal.
Nothing is going on with those proposals Myself has written about...not in the PA legislature, anyway. And, I don't foresee any advancement on the anti-rights agenda as long as we are aggressively contacting our reps about any such laws.

Remember, what's driving this whole thing is an epidemic of killing in Philly. Reduce the killing reduces the "urgency" of those politicians to enact foolish anti-rights (and do-nothing) legislation...which is a victory for us.

These guys are trying to stem the flow of illegal purchases...and some of you have nothing better to do then damn them for it.

That doesn't mean we should sit back and relax...problem with government is if they think a little is good...a lot is always better.

 

[Beatnik]

They are going after the source of the guns used in crime in Philly...and that's exactly what they should be doing because those straw purchasers are "the right guy".

Maybe you didn't read all the posts in this thread, or read them as thoroughly as you could have.

Do you mean to be as ridiculously offensive as your post comes off? I could have opted to go for 24 point type to make my post seem more important....

I appreciate that there are laws against straw purchases and that the law must be upheld. As a Virginian, I have my own opinion on the whole idea of straw purchases which is relevant to this commonwealth - and it revolves around the idea that the law must be upheld, not circumvented through tort suits.

But I stand by my original assertion: if this is what Pennsylvanians consider to be the solution to this issue, then you deserve what you get.

If I was confident that people who actually shoot people were riding the lightning, or at least being chained together at the feet and made to bust limestone, I might feel differently about going after straw purchasers with such vigor. But I doubt that's the case.

I agree with JWarren, who asserted that this is little better than blaming the object. It's blaming the person who bought the object. It's still not blaming the person who used the object. Until we agree on that point, it's all just useless gun control fluff.

 

[yesit'sloaded]

Treating a 20-18 year old as if they have no right to look at guns is a quick way to be sure that I will never give you business. I own guns and open carry when I feel that it is prudent to do so. Did I mention that gun owners that are ignorant of gun laws are also a turn off. I wanted to rent a .45 for a day at the local indoor range/gunshop and was told that "we only allow people 21 and up to shoot pistols without a responsible adult." I returned the 4 boxes of 30-06 to the shelf, left, and have never been back to that store. If they don't care about my rights, I don't give a hoot about whether they survive in the business world. (Mississippi is 18+ to own a pistol and 21+ to buy from an FFL)

 

[Glockman17366]

But I stand by my original assertion: if this is what Pennsylvanians consider to be the solution to this issue, then you deserve what you get.

Is this the final solution? No...but it is a move in the right direction in a city that is definitely moving in the wrong direction

A little background might help...
First, the governor of PA is Ed Rendell, formerly the mayor of Philly and notoriously anti-rights. He was one of the architects of the gun manufacturer lawsuits that went on a few years ago. He (when mayor) also refused the NRA's help when they tried to introduce Project Exile (which worked quite well in Richmond, as I'm sure you're aware.
I, and a few others, monitor PA legislation for anti-rights laws. Most of these have been initiated and sponsored by Philadelphia area politicos. Most (especially the "one gun a month") have been re-introduced year after year. The names of the sponsors may change, but it's been Rendell doing the talking. In 1999, I even testified against such a law. That's when I first met Rendell.
All of these laws addressed gun ownership, not crime or crime control. We even had some idiot propose a registration with an annual re-registration (and a fee of $10 per gun). This was for what is erroneously referred to as "Assault Rifles". The same idiot stated "if the government can grant rights..." as if the government had any such authority.

Beatnik, you're from VA which has it's own concerns right now (Norfolk case about open carry). I'm a PA resident that has been involved in this issue in this state for quite a while now. I can attest that this going after straw purchasers (rather then gun owners as a group) is an improvement...and may actually have an effect. So, yep...this is a move in the right direction in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. And, positive reinforcement to the politicians that are moving away from blanket (and ineffective) gun laws and crime laws has a positive effect.
Also, PA is pretty much surrounded by anti-rights states...lot of pressure there...New York blames many of their "illegal" guns on PA gun shops. Maybe if they cleaned their own house, crime would lessen in NYC.

I'm sorry if you took offense to my post. After reading the background, you may understand why I wrote what I did.

 

[Colt]

Glockman,

To your knowledge, does Corbett have any ambitions to become governor of PA?

 

[Glockman17366]

I don't know...but if I was a gambling man, I'd put money on it.
This is a conservative state with two liberal ends...more so on the eastern end, BTW.
The Republicans got kicked out (and some Democrats) because of a late night pay raise vote. This was basically an anti-incumbent election.
The last election had no viable Republican candidate for governor...and one thing I will give Fast Eddie Rendell...he's a good speaker. Make a hell of a used car salesman.

 

[schwantz]

Believe me, I know that Philly is very anti-gun. I've lived here all of my life (44 years) I thank God for the middle part of the state to balance out the antis in the Philly and Pitts area.

Second this! I was a fourth generation Philadelphian (now the last) and could never get a LTCF. Took me 15 minutes in Westmoreland County.

 

[1BLINDREF]

and one thing I will give Fast Eddie Rendell...he's a good speaker. Make a hell of a used car salesman.

LOL - He's definitely slimy enough!
He certainly couldn't be worse at selling used cars than he was at being a sports commentator. He sucked - couldn't even pronounce the players names and didn't know what positions they played on the field. I never did understand why any of his "people" didn't advise him not to do the sports shows. I guess he thought he really knew what he was talking about.

 

[230RN]

An aside for folks in other states beside PA

Lou noted, Page 1, post 23:

AG Corbett, or his office, has stated that reciprocity is with the state of issuance, not with the holder's state of residence.

I wish someone had pointed that out to Colorado's Legislature last year when they banned non-resident licenses from other states. "Full faith and credit," anyone?

The point here being that barring non-res from other states is merely another choke point on CCW licensees which other anti-gun legislatures would like to pounce on, and which will spread to other states beside Colorado. Keep your eyes open, folks in other states! Darn those Copycat Lawmakers anyhow!

Please continue as you were. Very intriguing discussion.