Viggo Mortensen and his (eight-gauge) shotgun in 'Appaloosa'

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Does this thing really exist? Is it legal? I've seen ten-gauge, but eight-gauge? Never. Must be custom.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/Movies/09/25/mortensen.appaloosa.ap/index.html

TORONTO, Ontario (AP) -- Viggo Mortensen follows a classic cowboy code in the Western "Appaloosa": Speak softly and carry a big honkin' gun.

As an Old West lawman, Mortensen packs a booming eight-gauge shotgun in "Appaloosa," which reteams him with "A History of Violence" co-star Ed Harris, who also directed and co-wrote the Western..."'
 
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Is this the actor who played in HIDALGO and other movies? EDITED: Yes, it is the same actor. Sorry about that!

This sounds like an interesting movie! Most likely I will 'rent' it down the road.

Catherine
 
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Yeah 8GAs do exist, ammo must me handlaoaded or custom ordered but it's kinda pointless anything over 10GA is illegal for hunting in TX
 
I read an article in Sports Afield about European shotguns. If I remember right they get even bigger than an 8 gauge. I want to say some were 4 gauge? It's been a while so I don't remember the particulars but it was impressive.
 
They were, indeed, made in England. Even more rare than the 8 gauge, however, was the 11 gauge.

Last I heard there was only one shotgun left in existence that went to eleven, and it was owned by the British rock guitarist Nigel Tufnel.
 
Interesting... I never head of these shotguns before except for the usual standard and/or common types and sizes.

Catherine
 
I think 8 gauge shotguns have been outlawed for sport (waterfowl) use. I've seen the brass shells in a collectors shop before, and I'm sure someone still makes them, but for practical reasons, they're extinct.
 
The American Rifleman/Hunter reruns 8 gauge articles every few years, including the industrial applications of the 8 gauge. Once this movie is released look for the gun rags to rerun their 8 gauge stories.

Yes they are legal, but not to shoot migatory birdies. Why is everything rare illegal in the gun culture?:confused:
 
One of the shopd customers owns an 8 guage double gun and it is American made though I don't remember the exact manufacturer.
The 8 guage guns, single and double barreled, breech loaded and muzzle loaded, were popular in the Illinois region from the 1880s to about the turn of the century and primarily used by migrant waterfowl market hunters.

In terms of power, the old 8 guage blackpowder loads, both muzzle loaded and cartridge, were about equvilent to a modern 3.7/8" ten guage load.
4 1/2 drams of FG or Cannon grade black powder or smokeless equvilent and 1 7/8 to 2 ounces of lead shot.

There are examples of even larger muzzle loaded punt guns on display in some of the museums.
Some of these guns went to 1 3/4" bore and were loaded with one to two ounces of cannon grade powder and up to four ounces of lead shot.
These weren't shoulder fired but tied to the bow of a flatbottom river skiff.

Kills of resting waterfowl numbered sometimes in the hundreds with just one shot from these cannons.

None of these guns are legal for hunting anywhere that I know of in the states.
 
The 8 gauge shotgun is still used to knock off "clinkers" from the walls of giant industrial cement or lime kilns. They shoot a really big zinc slug!!!
 
I've also seen a 4 guage in a steel mill used to remove slag from the inside of a blast furnace. It was mounted on a fixed stand, which is good because I surely wouldn't want to fire it more than once.
 
:) Never heard of the 8 gauge, the 4 gauge,15 gauge, 18 gauge, 24 gauge, 32 gauge, and a bunch more are out there waiting for you to discover:)
 
8 guage and even bigger guns were sometimes called punt guns and were used in market hunting for waterfowl. Particularly on the East coast in the Chespeake Bay area they decimated waterfowl populations and led to sport hunters pressuring the govt to institute game laws governing the methods used for hunting waterfowl.
 
Viggo was in G.I. Jane, the guy that always had the Dragunov. I like this guy.
 
Well its been decided that the 8 gauge exists, but if you want more information on the movie, here is a review I wrote over at the website I work for. In short - I really enjoyed it, there are lots of very pretty guns too!

Film School Rejects - Review: Appaloosa

For us lucky cowpokes that live in Los Angeles and New York, we got a chance to take a look at Appaloosa before its wide release on October 3rd. The film was adapted for the screen by Ed Harris and Robert Knott based on the novel of the same name, written by Robert Parker. Harris also took on directorial duties, as well as staring as one of the films leads, the lawman-for-hire Virgil Cole. Joining Cole is his long serving Deputy and friend, Everett Hitch, an intelligent and soft-spoken man played with charm and subtlety by Viggo Mortensen.

Rounding out the all star cast are Renee Zellwegger as love interest Allison French, Jeremy Irons as the cold-hearted Randall Bragg, and Lance Henrickson as gun-for-hire Ring Shelton, of the infamous Shelton brothers. The story starts with Bragg gunning down a City Marshall and his deputies after they attempt to arrest him for a murder. Held in the grip of fear by these cowboys, who take what they want without paying and terrorize the town, the leaders of the city of Appaloosa hire on Virgil and Everett to bring order to the town. Literally minutes later, the two out of towners have made their presence known and put the screws to the Bragg gang. Soon, the arrival of a flirtatious woman, Miss French, draws the attention and care of Cole. Meanwhile, a turncoat from Bragg’s gang agrees to testify against him on the charges of murder, so Virgil and Everett make plans to take him in.

What follows are quick gunfights, emotional twists, questionable deals, and a battle between prideful men. Appaloosa delivers everything a Western aficionado could ask for, from beautiful scenery, majestic horses, and locomotives to shooting duels, witty banter, and honest characters. The primary strength of the film is an engaging script that flirts with humor, wit, violence, and the nature of men. The relationship between Miss French and the alpha males around her is interesting and frustrating, to both the audience and Virgil. Mortensen plays Hitch as the quintessential cowboy hero. He’s quiet, modest, honest, and deadly with a 10 gauge shotgun. Yet, in all his openness, he still reserves a secret here and there that are revealed at exactly the right moments in exactly the right ways.

Harris obviously deserves much of the credit, turning in a classic machismo infused “Top Dog” Lawman performance peppered with just enough insecurity to make him relatable. His playbook from the directors chair is genre perfect - clearly he’s done his homework and knows what type of film he’s making. The shot selection is wonderful, with the requisite number of establishing shots and pans across the beautiful countryside. Musically, Jeff Beal provides a rich, full score with a very notable string performance, and good horn accents. Beal and Harris even combine forces on two tracks, with Beal composing and Harris singing on “You’ll Never Leave My Heart” (which plays during the latter part of the credits) and “Ain’t Nothin Like a Friend.” All are available on the official soundtrack.

If there is a fault with me, it would be Renee Zellwegger. While she is given somewhat more depth than your average Western love interest, her depth makes her character somewhat unlikable and when you look at her, you’re seeing Renee Zellwegger, not Miss French. Still, that wasn’t nearly enough to stop my enjoyment of the film and by the latter half, I had started to believe her character much more. The other performances throughout the film are very strong - Mortensen outshines all and Irons, while given less to do, is none the less fully capable of domineering a scene with nothing more than a look.

Some modern audience goers may feel the pace of the movie is a touch slow, which one could say it is. Though, it is slow like a good Western can be. In capturing the real earnestness of the West, there are times when things go blisteringly fast and times when the duo simply sit and talk, as friends were apt to do before television and radio. The dialog between the two men is as sharp as a bowie knife and crisp like a frontier morning. Overall the movie is a very traditional Western with fast paced action, sharp dialog, and deep characters.

Like a good period piece, the real heart of the film lays within the heart of the men on screen. They run the gamut of emotions from pride to hubris to modesty and transition through them all. As the credits roll over beautiful still photographs, you have a real understanding of exactly who each character was and the type of man they’ll always be. This kind of movie deserves Oscar recognition, though its the kind of quiet performances, so dependent on subtleties, that it just may go unnoticed. Make sure you notice this film when it releases on October 3rd.
 
Adapted from Robert B. Parker's novel, the film is the story of two old trail buddies, Virgil Cole (Harris) and Everett Hitch (Mortensen), itinerant lawmen who sign on to clean up the town of Appaloosa, where a murderous rancher (Jeremy Irons) runs the show.

What a novel idea for a western plot :rolleyes:
 
In "The Road," adapted from Cormac McCarthy's novel, Mortensen plays a man struggling to survive with his young son in a bleak post-apocalyptic landscape.

:what::what::what::what:

Awesome! I just recently read the book and it was fantastic. I'm a big fan of both Mortensen and McCarthy. This is great news! I'd heard a long while back, when the book was still in its first edition, that a movie would be made (along with Blood Meridian, his masterpiece) but I hadn't heard anything more until now.







Am I the only one who is surprised to see a gun-centric AP story? They could have written it about anything concerning the movie, but they sure chose a great focus! And in Canada, to boot! :
 
Anything bigger than a 10ga is referred to as "bore" not guage.

Yes, there is a such thing as an 8bore. They were judged "non-sporting" many many years ago(possibly the 1920s) and were thus illegal for used by hunters. That pretty much made them useless in north america. You would probably have to go to africa or india to see them in actual use.
 
There was an 8 gauge shotgun in Streets of Laredo.

For my uses, one would be totally useless.
But that doesn't mean it wouldn't also be utterly cool!
 
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