virginia massacre

[Leagle]

do you guys reckon there should be more gun control to stop these things from happening or do you think there should be less and let people buy more guns to defend agains this happening

 

[Waywatcher]

I'm not an omnipotent Liberal who know what is good for everyone but...

I do know that if even one of the students had a gun to shoot back there wouldn't have been 32 dead. Letting a murderer kill until he runs out of ammo or strength of will is absolutely ludicrous.

If you're ever in a situation where someones is trying to shoot you would you rather:
A. Ban their gun.
B. Shoot them first.

 

[10 Ring Tao]

Gun bill gets shot down by panel (From last legislative session '06)
http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/wb/xp-50658

HB 1572, which would have allowed handguns on college campuses, died in subcommittee.

Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."


It appears that Irony is alive and well....

I think that pretty much sums it up.

Can you imagine how different today would have been if one, just one, person could have defended themselves against the shooter? How many lives would have been saved?

How many lives were sacrificed by the VA legislature and the VT admin, in the name of PC political gain?

 

[Arch]

Put aside the how and why, either way, this is not good for you guys. It is inevitable that you will cop some political flack for this. It's not going to take long for people to start leveraging their own agendas with such an emotional event.

 

[Soybomb]

Gun control doesn't keep criminals from getting guns. Drug control doesn't keep criminals from getting drugs. When people want something, they get it, banned or not.

From the recent FBI study "Violent Encounters: Felonious Assaults on
America’s Law Enforcement Officers"

Predominately handguns were used in the assaults on officers and all but one were obtained illegally, usually in street transactions or in thefts. In contrast to media myth, none of the firearms in the study was obtained from gun shows. What was available "was the overriding factor in weapon choice," the report says. Only 1 offender hand-picked a particular gun "because he felt it would do the most damage to a human being."

Researcher Davis, in a presentation and discussion for the International Assn. of Chiefs of Police, noted that none of the attackers interviewed was "hindered by any law--federal, state or local--that has ever been established to prevent gun ownership. They just laughed at gun laws."

 

[G36-UK]

I posted my opinion on passing harsher gun control last night on my blog:

First and foremost, the blame is for the shooter. If he was supposed to be unable to acquire a firearm, the person who helped him should assume part of the blame. No good or reasonable person should ever consider blaming gun owners. They are just as innocent as anyone who was hurt or killed.

This is an emotional time for everyone. There will be all sorts of lying gun control advocates demanding "sensible" restrictions (an oxymoron if there ever was one). Show them true common sense, at the same time you show them the door.

The law-abiding gun owners of America are not to blame for this. Don't unjustifiably penalise them.

Two wrongs never make a right.

 

[1911Tuner]

re:

The thing that sickens me more than the Shangri-La "Gun Free Zone" that they were so proud of only a few weeks ago is the fact that the students all knelt and waited their turn to die...and nobody had the will or the mindset...or the cajones to fight back. If one...ONE...had grabbed a chair and rushed the little puke, he may have changed things. Sure, he may have gotten hurt. He may have been killed...but he also may have been successful. He may have lived. A couple dozen others may have lived...if there had been one Todd Beamer in the crowd who refused to wait for slaughter like a bleating sheep. One man...MAN...who decided that he wasn't going to go down without a fight.

But...Nobody did. They had all been so thorougly indoctrinated with the idea that somebody with a gun is all-powerful, and there's nothing that anyone can do to thwart an armed man...so they got on their knees and waited to die as the shooter went down the line...shooting one, and then another, and another. Mindset is the weapon. The tool is incidental.

What the hell has this country come to? Have we stopped raising men?

One man who was willing to say: "Today may indeed be my day to die...but you're gonna hafta prove it to me."

 

[Guy B. Meredith]

What sort of gun control would prevent this, Columbine, Texas A&M, Port Aurthur? In each incident everyone was unarmed except the perpetrator.

None of the laws enacted thus far have deterred serious criminals or fruitcakes.

Since several committed suicide it is not unreasonable to think that had they been denied a firearm (not likely with the black market on firearms) they might emulate our Islamic fascist friends.

 

[kikr]

Did the forums format change? This is a gun forum right? Lets see how subtle I can be in stating my opinion.

I think the occurance in question, that is the pre-meditated of 32 people but some sick psycho in a college campus is a direct result of the works of the Rosie, Sarah, Hillery lesbian triangle of demanning the country. The victims were unarmed in a building they were paying to be in and were slaughtered like sheep. The pansy punk that slaughtered them was a foreign national who could not have purchased the weapons legally anyways. WHAT more "gun control" do you need?

 

[briansmech]

notwithstanding the likelihood a permit holder stopping the shooter, even more practical is the fact that the shooter wouldnt have been so calm and methodical if in the back of his mind, he had to worry about one of his victims not being so helpless.

at the very least, the possibility itself wouldve changed the outcome, im sure.

 

[ozwyn]

I am very curious to know if any of the victims had carry permits but were disarmed by the "gun free" rules.

 

[wrench]

1911tuner, I had the same thought yesterday as the death toll rose.
Is it because they were in a 'safe zone'? They'd been conditioned to think that others, (the police), would protect them?
I have not seen much news this morning, but last night the police responce seemed to consist of hiding behind trees while the shooter mowed down those people.
I teach at a local college, and I am so sad right now...

 

[RNB65]

No. All the gun laws in the world aren't going to stop someone who is angry, psychotic, paranoid, and suicidal. He could have caused just as much carnage with a couple of revolvers or a pump shotgun and a bunch of pint jars filled with gasoline carried in his book bag.

 

[KD5NRH]

Huh?

A doctor at a Blacksburg hospital described the injuries he saw Monday as "amazing" and the shooter as "brutal."

"There wasn't a shooting victim that didn't have less than three bullet wounds in them," said Dr. Joseph Cacioppo of Montgomery Regional Hospital.

"wasn't a victim who didn't have less than three bullet wounds"

Isn't this one of the trick questions off the Mensa entrance exam where you're supposed to determine the possible number of wounds to each victim?

Parsing it carefully, what he said was that all of them had less than three, which makes the kill/injury ratio fairly high, but given the awkward grammar, it's impossible to know whether that's what he meant.

 

[Justin]

Redundant.
Baiting.
Closed.