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Virginia Tech publishes final ‘Weapons on Campus’ regulation

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  1. JohnPierce

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    In the April 9, 2012 edition of the Virginia Register, the final Virginia Tech ‘Weapons on Campus’ regulation was published and now has the force and effect of law.

    The regulation, which is codified at 8VAC105-20-10 through 8VAC105-20-40, addresses the “carrying, maintaining, or storing” of both “firearms” and “weapons.”

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  2. JohnPierce

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    Are you a female student taking a night class at Virginia Tech? Worried about that long walk to the car? Want to carry pepper spray just in case? Do it and get expelled! :(
     
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    It is not OK to bring two fists to a gun fight since you will loose every time.
     
  4. Neverwinter

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    Many campuses have nightwalk programs which alleviate that problem.

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  5. JohnPierce

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    True. But my point was that this regulation is dangerously over-broad and makes no exception for even the most basic self-defense.

    Also, at the campus where I attend law school, the Night Escort program will only take you to the edge of campus but parking overflow often forces students to park blocks away in not-so-nice neighborhoods. :(
     
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    No, it is plain idiotic and knee jerk.
     
  7. steelerdude99

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    It does an excellent job of protecting the University from lawsuits. An individual's safety is irrelevant.

    chuck
     
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    If only they had this regulation in place before the massacre....
     
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    They ought to call it the "fox in the hen house" regulation
     
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    Any this is going to do any good how?
     
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    First rule of gunfighting:
    Bring a gun.
     
  12. JohnBT

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    Culpable? That's nonsense. You can repeat that silliness until you're blue in the face and it won't make it true.

    When I was there some folks had guns in the dorms, some guys had throwing axes (you know, the forestry types) and so forth. I guess times change.

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    Try to alleviate the problem, but staffing and scheduling issues leave many people without that sort of support. Then there's the question about being dependent upon a bureaucracy for your safety. No, escort services are an attempt to address violence on campus, but they're only partially effective.
     
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    [Ahem...let's keep it on topic and polite, please.]
     
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    They seem to be aimed at the girls more than anyone else. I'm doubtful that they'd actually take a call for escort from a male student seriously, let alone honor it. The solutions the administration comes up with take a reactive stance to the problem. Somebody feels unsafe? escort them. Somebody already broke so many laws and went on a shooting spree? Make the draconian laws even more restrictive.
    The problem is that none of their solutions addresses taking proactive or corrective action. Everything they do is a response to a situation which has already gone bad. The shape becomes pair, the tits go up, and now they want to do something. Isn't that a bit like putting on steel toe boots after your foot has been crushed? The problem is that in a free society, you can't just apprehend an individual because you think he might become troublesome later on.
     
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    As usual, an ivory tower administration believe that safety lies in published rules and regulations (which apparently also have the force of law) that they cannot possibly enforce against a person who has absolutely no respect for them, and intends to intentionally violate each and every one while engaged in a deliberate act of individual or mass killing.

    In the face of this obvious truth they offer the student population, as well as others, no effective way to protect themselves against a criminal attack - lethal or otherwise.

    These administrators live in a dream world of their own making, and force others to possibly pay the ultimate price because of they're incompetence.

    And no one stands up to point out that the emperor isn’t wearing any clothes.
     
  17. Elkins45

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    Wasn't there already a rule that said you can't shoot 30+ people?

    Just checking.
     
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    I always detested the administration at that school - and I went there 1980-1985. They could never manage to think of the student body as anything other than a group of irresponsible teenyboppers.

    Just never mind the students in their mid-20s, the students attending on GI Bill benefits, and the graduate students. None of whom fell into the category of irresponsible teenager.
     
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    It is not referred to as an 'ivory tower' for nothing.

    These are the same folks that think court orders can stop bullets.

    I stopped donating after the slaughter, and now have no reason to ever start again.
     
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    Where is the Virginia Legislature?

    When other colleges tried this kind of institutionalized stupidity their State Legislators stepped in and passed a law specifically thwarting the move by the college staff. Oregon, that bastion of hippies, PETA, and all things liberal, made the move last year sometime. If they can do it, why can't Virginia law makers get off their duff and put a stop to disarming adult CCW permitted students that want to protect themselves.

    Just asking the question.
     
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    There is nothing illegal about carrying on campus in VA. It is against policy. I wouldn't let it keep me from carrying.
     
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    Correct. I know JohnPierce was just quoting the article. The prohibition of firearms on the campus does NOT have the effect of law. It is only school policy.
     
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    Let us just imagine if only one person was armed during that massacre when that mutant entered one of those rooms and he fired back to stop the threat and kill the mutant. I wonder if they would have expelled him or even prosecuted him for an Illegal firearm on campus .........I just Wonder!
     
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    Politics. A state's administrative code is just that..... administrative. It's like firearms on private property....carrying a firearm against an administrative code does not have a criminal penalty associated with it - only expulsion from the university as a student or removal from the campus and trespassing if you don't leave.
     
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    I went to a private university that thugs could not afford to get into.

    For public colleges and universities, I can see where this would be a problem though.

    Even so, it seems to me that college kids are not mature enough to carry firearms.

    The brain is not fully developed until age 25. And that's way past college daze.

    Pepper sprays and mace sprays always seem appropriate however, for all students, especially for the girls.
     
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