I'm having a bit of an exchange with an individual at the VPC... I hope you'll join me in thanking her for the research and compilation they've done for our young people....
See:
http://www.vpc.org/studies/22ap.htm
Then see:
http://cpltrainer.com/youthrecommendations.html (although my site is experiencing temporary difficulties).
See:
http://www.vpc.org/studies/22ap.htm
Then see:
http://cpltrainer.com/youthrecommendations.html (although my site is experiencing temporary difficulties).
Dear Kristen,
As a science teacher, I have a fairly good grasp of mathematics as well. Perhaps not as good as I'd like, but still functional.
To address your question, I suspect it would be a pretty incredible coincidence if you only receive perhaps 35 or 40 emails a day, but I rather suspect that the VPC receives many, many more email communications than that.
If you get 3,000 emails a day, for instance, I believe that the assumption might be that one percent of those might be fairly close in content.
In any case, I believe that you will receive many, many more emails thanking you for providing this list. It's a fine service to those concerned with the education of young firearms enthusiasts.
I'm not sure I see the depth of similarity in Sean's email to you and my own but I suppose since we have both taken the time to thank you for the efforts VPC has put forth in compiling this list, there is at least some small similarity. I see Sean would like links added for manufacturers and prices. I'd be happy to volunteer to provide that data to you for inclusion.
As to your question on the suits of armor, I have told you what I do with my days, or most of them. I am a high school science teacher devoted to the education of our young people. That doesn't involve armor, but I do have to dress up to some degree.
Kristen, I don't mean to criticize, but do you really think that it is entirely ethical to forward Sean's complete email, including his private email address without his permission? If he were a public figure as you are, that might be acceptable, but as simple, private citizens, I would think that your organization would be more circumspect in actions such as this.
Sincerely,
Neva Li
----- Original Message -----
From: Kristen Rand
To: Neva Li
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: Thank You!
I guess it's just a coincidence we got 30 virtually identical emails in one day. Here's one example. Do you also spend your time dressing up in suits of armor like Sean does?
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:04:15 -0800 (PST)
From: "Sean xxxxxxxxxxx" <[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
Subject: Youth Guns list
To: [email protected]
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I wanted to thank you guys (and gals) for your handy
list of long guns suitable for youths.
http://www.vpc.org/studies/22ap.htm
one criticism though. you failed to include both
prices and links to the manufacturers.
how can we be responsible comparison shoppers without
this info. as it is, the only firearm on this list i
have any personal experience with is the Henry Lever
Youth Model 22, which my Mom (5'0" tall, 62 years old)
owns. while it is undoubtedly a fine firearm, and very
accurate out to about 100 yards, i find that i might
like to consider a rifle without the exposed hammer.
when shooting woodchucks at very close range (for
anything over 100 yards we have a bigger rifle that i
got at the tender age of 15) i find that the movement
of the hammer tends to disturb my shot. it isn't
enough to miss if it was the only gun my mom could
find to shoot an intruder (she has a pistol for that)
it does make small animals like the woodchuck a bit
tricky.
so how about it? prices, and links to the
manufacturers.
thanks
Sean, 34 Richmond, VA
=====
Sean xxxxxxxxxx
Email:
[email protected]
check out my photos @
http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/sxxxxxxxxx
At 04:24 PM 11/5/04 -0500, you wrote:
Dear Kristen,
Thank once again for your response. Dialogue on the issues is always so gratifying.
Please try not to overreact. My gratitude is my own and despite what may seem to be a "coordinated campaign" of some kind, I am sure that you can appreciate that I have found your list useful and that I am quite happy that you have provided it.
Thanks again for your efforts on our behalf in educating young firearms advocates and enthusiasts in available choices of firearms that work best for their age group.
Sincerely,
Neva Li
----- Original Message -----
From: Kristen Rand
To: Neva Li
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: Thank You!
I guess because you spend your time participating in a silly little coordinated campaign to harass us.
At 03:42 PM 11/5/04 -0500, you wrote:
Dear Kristen,
Thank you for your response.
I do wonder why on earth would you assume that my life was either empty or filled with hate? I've already explained that I am a teacher, which is actually quite a loving profession and certainly one which would never prompt anyone to describe my life as empty.
I wrote you because I am very happy to be able to make educated recommendations on firearms appropriate for youth use. I thought you would be happy to know that people who are committed to teaching our youth to be responsible in handling firearms appreciate having this information so readily available.
Please take my missives in the spirit in which they are intended.
Sincerely,
Neva Li
----- Original Message -----
From: Kristen Rand
To: Neva Li
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: Thank You!
You must have a very empty life if this is how you spend your time. If you aren't filled with hate, you wouldn't bother us with your silly little missives.
At 03:04 PM 11/5/04 -0500, you wrote:
Dear Kristen,
Thank you for your response.
Of course, it never would be one of my children since I would always teach my child responsible firearms usage and none of my children is filled with disabling hatred as spewed and taught by the Radical Left.
I do not have "kids", by the way, but do know other responsible firearms owners who keep goats. They never allow them to handle firearms, though.
Sincerely,
Neva Li
----- Original Message -----
From: Kristen Rand
To: Neva Li
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: Thank You!
You'll just have to hope this isn't your kid:
Associated Press
December 20, 2003
2 Youths Held in Web Site Threat
Two youths, including one who had asked for a gun for Christmas, were arrested after allegedly making death threats against high school athletes.
"I have a bag full of bullets waiting for you," authorities said one of the students allegedly wrote on the Web site.
The Web site also said one of the two liked killing, playing video games and "burning" and "butchering" Jews, police said.
Police do not believe the two had access to weapons, but one was about to get a weapon as a Christmas gift.
"One of the fathers told us that the kid had asked for a firearm for Christmas and the father said he purchased it for him last Saturday," he said. "The kid didn't even know he had it coming. The father said based on this information he was obviously not going to get it."
At 02:13 PM 11/5/04 -0500, you wrote:
As a teacher in the public school system and a certified firearms instructor there is some crossover and I am occasionally asked what type of firearm might be appropriate for a child. I have never researched it to any great degree but am now blessed with your fairly extensive list. I have printed it out and will distribute it to the parents wishing to teach their children about responsible firearms usage in the future.
Sincerely,
Neva Li
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