W231 for 45ACP

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I tried some W231 in 45ACP recently as I am down to less than a half pound of Bullseye and can not find it anywhere. I only loaded a test batch of five rounds each to make sure they would cycle. I was shooting at 50 ft in an indoor range. 4.8g with a 200g LSWC was accurate. 5.0g had 3 of five shots in one hole. Accuracy seemed to go down as the charge went up but I will load more and try again. My max load was 5.4g. As I have some W231 I hope to use it until I can find some Bullseye.
 
W231/HP-38 (same powder) is my favorite powder for 45ACP. I use 5.0 gr for 200 gr lead SWC. Accurate and cycles all of my compact/full size pistols.
 
Good combination in my experience

I've used that combination and it worked very well for me. It doesnt sound like I'm as good of a shot as you are though :).

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W231/HP-38 is my favorite handgun powder and it's an excellent choice for the .38 Special and 45 Auto.

My favorite 45 Auto load is 5.5gr W231 under any 230gr RN bullet. Yes, that number is over the current listing on the Hodgdon site but they use an obscenely short COAL in their data. I have loaded at least a half-dozen powders in the 45 Auto and nothing matches W231/HP-38, nothing!
 
Yes, accuracy varies as the charges does. This is why we run latter test to find the sweet spot. I've use W213 in the past but I moved to WST for BE loads. WSF is another that works good with the 45acp.
 
Edcnh: I use 5grs of Win 231 under a 230gr LRN or 230gr JRN bullets. For loading any of the 45 acp`s my Son and I shoot. We think it is the powder for us, and we have been using and have been reloading with it for years. That is what our Dillon 1050 is set up for. We also use WIN 231 for most of our handguns. We try to buy Win 231 in 8lb containers when possible, just saves time and delets the problem of running out.
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231's my go to powder for 45 as well. 4.9gr under the 200 swc. the little Ruger's ingested on the order of 10,000 of them now. pretty hard to go wrong with it.
 
Bass Pro has Bullseye right now. I just bought 3 pounds and used Ship-to-Store. No Hazmat!!

Mark.
 
Mark
Thanks for the tip. I just ordered three pounds. It is good to know W231 works so well. I will try some more W231 rounds. As others have stated on this thread 5.0g W231 with a 200g LSWC seems quite accurate.
 
After ordering Bullseye from Basspro I received an email telling it me it was on backorder. It did not state this on the site. I called and was told the estimated in stock date is February 1, 2015. Really glad I have some W231 now!
 
Well, now you have almost scared me. But not quite.

I started loading the old .45 ACP a few years ago and tried all of the usual powders. I ended up preferring Olin 230 of the others for several reasons that now elude me.
Then them rascals stopped making my selected 230 powder. But they did come out with that new powder as a replacement, 231. I tried it, liked it, adjusted my load for it. And for the last way too many years have been loading and enjoying that same loading. Basically any lead 200ish grain bullet, standard large pistol primer, mix and very well used over the years brass and what is now scary, a charge of 5.6 grains.
I have NEVER had any problem with this loading. No leading, no pressure signs, it just keeps on going like that dumb pink bunny rabbit. I get a measured, at 10 feet with my chronograph (something I didn't have back in the early/mid 70's) a consistent 900 FPS. OK, the average of hundreds of test samples is 902.7 FPS. (All from a standard 1911A1 5 inch barrel. Tests with a shortie Spfd [3.something] or 1917 S&W revolver [5 1/2 inch] or Marlin Campgun [16 1/2 inch] do produced different velocities. They have all been safe for me.)
Then I read this thread and begin thinking. That isn't a good thing to begin with. But, I pulled up our friendly Hodgdon's web page to find that I have been running the current 'Maximum Load' all of these years and didn't even know it.
What to do? Should I brake down those few thousands of loaded rounds? Should I just shoot them all up and work out a new loading? Or, what I will do, just smile to my self and continue as if I never read this thread.

My advise:
Do as I say, not as I do.
Don't load to the maximum listed safe loadings with out extensive testing and any change in components would require retesting.

Excuse me, I'll be sticking my head in the sand now.
 
If you never had a problem I personally would keep shooting that load. If it is accurate and there is no leading it is a good load.
 
After ordering Bullseye from Basspro I received an email telling it me it was on backorder. It did not state this on the site. I called and was told the estimated in stock date is February 1, 2015. Really glad I have some W231 now!
I have a strong feeling you are really going to like the results you get from W231 in the 45 Auto. Like I said above, it's an excellent choice for the 45 Auto and .38 Special.

Don't forget the range report.
 
When I shot in competition, I went through thousands of rounds each month and they were 200 gr lead SWC loaded with W231. My loads were extremely accurate and dependable in my pistols.
 
Yup, been using W231/HP38 for .45ACP for a few years too. 5.4gr. under 230gr. FMJs. Great load.

I keep having hope that my B/O's may be filled soon for what I have on order. But I'm not holding my breath.


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American Reloader.com has csb-1 in stock now with 20% off.. you may wanna jump on sum I did 8#'s not really nowing what to expect but im glad I bought it, good stuff.... edit.. I bought csb-5 from them its a little faster burn rate than csb-1. Both powders have data.
 
i discovered w231 right before the powder drought. too bad--it metered very well and was clean and accurate out of my 1911s. i think w231 could easily be "the one" powder for this caliber.
 
The 200SWC and 5.0gr of W231 chronos at 778, 4.5gr of Bullseye chronos at 743 and both shoot wonderfully in my .45
 
What I find odd is that I can't find W231/HP-38 anywhere, however, I have Bullseye and Power Pistol available with no limits locally.

I actually prefer W231/HP-38.

Funny, I see you aren't that far away from me either.
 
I was able to pick up 2 pounds of HP-38 today at the Ventura show. They had a limit of 1 pound per person, but the guy was cool and let me buy 2. (Let me?!?) Paid 24.95/pound. Not too bad considering I have seen it on Gun Raper for $45 a pound, or more.

It's out there somewhere!

Interesting about Bass Pro. I have not received any email about it being back-ordered. Guess I will go check my account...

Mark.
 
What I find odd is that I can't find W231/HP-38 anywhere, however, I have Bullseye and Power Pistol available with no limits locally.

I actually prefer W231/HP-38

Same here, I use 231 for 9mm, .40 and .44 Mids, i can walk into a couple different stores, and pick up power pistol, unique, bullseye, and others, but 231 is nowhere to be found.... I guess I should start working up loads for other available powders, but 231 shoots well in my calibers and meters so nice. I wish I had the OP's problem.
 
back before I ran out of 231, my favorite load was 5.0 grains and any 230 grain bullet. Like you, the harder I tried to push it, the worse my groups got! Best I recall Winchester listed 5.6 as max. Didn't own a chrono back then, and can only guess that FPS was in the 750/780 range.
 
i discovered w231 right before the powder drought. too bad--it metered very well and was clean and accurate out of my 1911s. i think w231 could easily be "the one" powder for this caliber.
I thought the same till I ran out and a good friend sold me a pound of AA-2. 5.3 grains and 230 grain Precision Delta= 830 FPS and a SD of 5! (FIVE)
 
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