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WA silencer use bill Senate hearing!!!

Discussion in 'NFA Firearms and Accessories' started by Ranb, Jan 20, 2011.

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  1. Ranb

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    Judiciary
    1/26/11 1:30 pm
    Senate Full Committee
    Senate Hearing Rm 1
    J.A. Cherberg Building
    Olympia, WA

    Public Hearing:
    1.SB 5112 - Changing restrictions on firearm noise suppressors.
    2.SB 5115 - Concerning private transfer fee obligations. (Hearing is on the Proposed Substitute.)
    3.SB 5170 - Increasing the number of judges to be elected in Grant county.

    Everyone needs to be at this hearing, especially industry representatives, silencer owners and people who want to use silencers.

    Ranb
     
  2. MD_Willington

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    Wish I could, I'm in Pullman WA, next to WSU ATM....
     
  3. deacon8

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    Is there a link that explains what is in the bill. I can't find any details on this bill. If you can't post a link, can someone give a run-down of what the bill would do? And I was hoping for someone more than just a single sentance description, which is why I was looking for a link. However, any extra info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
     
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    Or is that info not out yet?
     
  5. Ranb

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    Go to http://access.wa.gov to find out just about anything about the government that you need. Click on the government and legislature links to get to the bill information. http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/ Search for any bill you want. Senate bill 5112 is the companian bill for House bill 1016. http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=5112&year=2011

    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2011-12/Pdf/Bills/Senate Bills/5112.pdf
    Sec. 1. RCW 9.41.250 and 2007 c 379 s 1 are each amended to read
    5 as follows:
    6 (1) Every person who:
    16 (c) Uses any contrivance or device for suppressing the noise of any
    17 firearm unless the suppressor is legally registered and possessed in
    18 accordance with federal law
    ,

    19 is guilty of a gross misdemeanor punishable under chapter 9A.20 RCW.

    It just makes an exception for registered silencers. The underlined portion is the new part of the RCW that bill 5112 and 1016 adds.

    Ranb
     
  6. MD_Willington

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    OT but in the same document:

    In a different bill they want to edit the portion above 16 - 18, change dirk and dagger to knife with 3.5 inch blade...
     
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    Ramb - Thank you very much for all the work you've done on this!


    Chris "the Kayak-Man" Johnson
     
  8. deacon8

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    Yeah, thanks Ranb. That's good to know about.
     
  9. Ranb

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    That is not good. Pocket knives illegal if it passes? http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2011-12/Pdf/Bills/House Bills/1006.pdf

    So if bill 1006 (making carrying pocket knives in your pocket illegal) is attached to the silencer use bill, will the people on this forum still support it? I will. :(

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    Well I carry a knife too, but rarely a knife over 3.5 inches...

    Now how does this work if I'm a Sikh and I carry a Kirpan...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirpan

     
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    It will have to be carried openly then. Does their dogma required that it be concealed? My religion (common sense) requires that I use a silencer whenever it is practical. :)

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    Any word on the reading yesterday, I checked committee notes and nada...
     
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    Rules Committee relieved of further consideration.
    Placed on second reading suspension calendar.


    Uh, what just happened?
     
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    !!! Hey Hey Hey !!!
    1016-2011 passed the house 88-4, 6 exempt, just about 90% of the house is FOR fixing it.

    Every WA State Rep needs to be contacted ASAP

    This is now moving to the Senate, then if favorable, Queen G takes a stab at it.

    Feb 7 Committee recommendations adopted.
    Placed on third reading. Third reading, PASSED
    Yea = 88
    Nay = 4
    Absent = 0
    Excused = 6

    Yea:
    • Ahern
    • Alexander
    • Angel
    • Armstrong
    • Asay
    • Bailey
    • Billig
    • Blake
    • Buys
    • Carlyle
    • Chandler
    • Clibborn
    • Cody
    • Condotta
    • Crouse
    • Dahlquist
    • Dammeier
    • DeBolt
    • Dickerson
    • Dunshee
    • Fagan
    • Finn
    • Fitzgibbon
    • Frockt
    • Goodman
    • Green
    • Haigh
    • Haler
    • Hargrove
    • Harris
    • Hasegawa
    • Hinkle
    • Hope
    • Hunt
    • Hurst
    • Jacks
    • Jinkins
    • Johnson
    • Kagi
    • Kelley
    • Kenney
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    • Kretz
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    • Ladenburg
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    • McCoy
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    • Moeller
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    • Warnick
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    • Mr.Speaker
    Nay:
    • Darneille
    • Hudgins
    • Hunter
    • Springer
    Excused:
    • Anderson
    • Appleton
    • Eddy
    • Rodne
    • Smith
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    That is good news. But I just got an e-mail stating that Senate bill 5112 is not on the list of bills getting an executive hearing in the Judiciary committee. Maybe they are stopping work on bill 5112 due to progress on bill 1016, I am not sure. Only one way to find out, write and ask. :)

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    Bill 5112 was heard by the Senate Judiciary Executive Committee this morning. There was no debate. The decision was a unanimous "do pass" recommendation. It goes to the Rules Committee next.

    Ranb
     
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    I reiterate, this is exciting!
     
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    Senate bill 5112 appears to be stuck in the Rules committee. The Rules committee never publishes an agenda so we will not know when it goes for a vote until the bill status is updated as passed or failed on the Senate floor

    If you want to use silencers in WA, please write to the Rules committee chairman, Lt Governor Owen. Sending e-mail to the rest of the committee would not hurt either.

    Bill 5112 http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=5112&year=2011

    Rules committee membership http://www.leg.wa.gov/Senate/Committees/RULE/Pages/MembersStaff.aspx

    Lt Governor Owen http://ltgov.wa.gov/ and his e-mail address ltgov@leg.wa.gov

    Ranb
     
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    I realize that the Rules Committee doesn't post updates, but does anyone personally know if the bill is stuck or is it going somewhere? I'd hate to think that all this effort was spent on the bill and then it goes nowhere!
     
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    Bill 5112 (allow silencer use) is stuck in committee and going to die unless it is pulled from the Rules committee for a third reading (vote on the Senate floor) by March 7th. I cannot emphasis enough the importance that all WA residents interested in silencer use must call their Senator and members of the Rules committee on the phone to urge them to pull bill 5112 from the calendar for a third reading.

    Rules committee members http://www.leg.wa.gov/Senate/Committ...bersStaff.aspx

    The last Rules committee hearing consisted of a “package pull” of bills that had no opposition and were expected to pass with little or no debate. I do not know why Bill 5112 was not included in the package pull since it had no opposition in the Senate Judiciary hearing, was not debated at all at the Judiciary executive hearing and was unanimously sent along with a do pass recommendation. I am not aware of any opposition to the bill 5112, and only 4 Representatives voted against the companion bill in the House. One of the Senate aides I spoke to said there was some opposition to the bill, but she would not be specific.

    The price of a dozen two minute long distance phone calls is a small one to pay to enjoy the use of silencers in WA. We have until March 7th to get bill 5112 a vote on the Senate floor. If you can, call as many of the Rules committee members as you can. The most important ones to call are the chairman, vice-chairman and the Democrats.

    One of their aides will answer the phone when you call, not the Senator. When I call, I tell them my name and city/state and that I am calling to express my support of bill 5112. The aide will probably suggest that you contact your Senator and the bill sponsors, but tell them you have already done so and want to know why bill 5112 has not been pulled from the calendar any sent to the floor for a vote. Ask them if their Senator intends to allow to pull the bill from the calendar and send it to the floor. If they do not say yes, press them for a reason why. Ask them who is opposed to the bill and why. End your conversation with a request that they pass along your concerns to the Senator.

    Chances are you will have to leave a message if you call the chairman (the Lt Gov) or vice chairman. If you are not able to get through to the vice-chairman, keep calling until you do. Some of the aides will be in a rush to finish the call, others will want to talk. The Republicans will probably blame the Democrats for holding things up. If they do, ask them what they will do to help pull the bill form the calendar. Good luck and keep dialing.

    Randy
     
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    Can we maybe get the mods to repost this:

    I'd like to see more people made aware of this. Perhaps this should go to other forums as well.
     
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    Email contact enlisting their support for both 1604 and 5112 has been made.
     
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    Thanks so much for this information! Ranb's link took me to a 404 error, but I was able to browse to the listing of senators on the rules committee. For people who had the same issue, use this link:
    http://www.leg.wa.gov/Senate/Committees/RULE/Pages/MembersStaff.aspx
    Or if that doesn't work, go to Legislative Committees on the left sidebard, select Senate Committees on the top center, and Rules Committee is on the list.

    I ran down the list and called them all, but started with the senator for my district (Scott White). Senator Hewitt's aide told me that the most important people to contact were Senators Brown and Eide as they lead the caucus. I've also notified my 2A supporting friends in Washington about the bill.
     
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    The house already passed HB 1016,
    SB 5112 is the Senate Companion Bill.
    It was scheduled for a second reading today.
    A public hearing with the Senate Judiciary Committee has been scheduled for March 9th, at 1:30 PM.
     
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