WA State silencer use bill (1016) to get hearing.

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I just got off the phone with Representative Pedersen's aide. She says that bill 1016 will get a hearing in committee. This is farther than any silencer bill has gone before; the rest died without a hearing.

The hearing has not been scheduled yet; the session starts on 1/10/2011. The committee schedules should be out by next week some time. I plan on attending as long as it is takes place next week. I will be out of the state working from January 18 till the end of the month.

Unless there are other gun control bills scheduled for a hearing, it is not likely that 200 plus people will show up to observe or testify at the hearing as I saw a few years ago. If you plan on going, get there at least an hour before it is scheduled to start and sign up. Those that sign up are asked if they are pro or con on the bills being heard. Those that want to speak to the committee indicate so. From what I understand, it is first come first serve for those who want to speak. People get about 5 minutes to present their views. The last time I went to a Senate hearing on gun control bills, only about 10% of those showing up were for the bills (various bans), but they choose an equal number to speak on each side, pro and con.

I hope that those people speaking for both sides only stick to the facts and do not use emotional arguments. If I am not able to attend, I would like to speak to anyone here that is planning to go. I can supply data on the low number of silencer related crimes and letters from the WASPC and WACOPS on their positions. I can also prepare a fact sheet to give to the committee members.

I have been hearing that the bill is expected to pass the House, but we need to keep pushing. I have been writing more to Senators and also sent the Governor a letter. A member of Gregoire's staff when she was the AG tried to convince me that silencers were illegal in the entire USA. I hope to convince her that they are useful enough to be legal to use.

Ranb
 
The hearing will take place on Wednesday, 1/12/11. Agendas
Judiciary - 01/12/11 8:00 am
Full Committee
House Hearing Rm A
John L. O'Brien Building
Olympia, WA

Public Hearing:
HB 1032 - Modifying consumer protection act provisions. (If measure is referred to committee.)
HB 1041 - Including correctional employees who have completed government-sponsored law enforcement firearms training to the lists of law enforcement personnel that are exempt from certain firearm restrictions. (If measure is referred to committee.)
HB 1016 - Changing restrictions on firearm noise suppressors. (If measure is referred to committee.)
HB 1017 - Mandating a twelve-hour impound hold on motor vehicles used by persons arrested for driving under the influence. (If measure is referred to committee.)
HB 1001 - Placing restrictions on pro se defendants when questioning witnesses. (If measure is referred to committee.)

There is only one other gun control bill on the list, and it eases restrictions as far as I can tell. I do not anticipate much of an anti-gun crowd showing up for this one.

I will be taking the morning (or whole day) off from work to attend. Anyone want to join me?

Ranb
 
That's only a tank of gas in my car small price to pay. Which I lived in the state so I could come, been wanting a silencer for a while.
 
I did a double take when I read your title. Yeah, I'm a bit slow at times.

Silencer use to get hearing....:uhoh:
 
I am taking time off from work. I turned down a trip to NH for work involving lots of overtime to be in WA to push this bill. I figure it is costing me about $3000 in pay, but it is worth it if I can get this bill through.

Ranb
 
The hearing went well today.

When the bill was read by the committee staff, it was in a completely unbiased and supportive manner. Their statement included both the words suppressor and silencer. I think the time for being afraid to use the "other S-word" is coming to an end.

A WACOPS representative showed up and spoke first, completely stole my thunder. That is ok though as he was dressed in a suit and spoke just as eloquent. He also gave healthy support to the notion that civilians should be able to use silencers too. I was left with one minute and only mentioned federal penalties. I forgot to bring up the low crime data I brought with.

A very big thank you for WA Tom for showing up. He was the sole industry representative. He spoke of how WA class 2's were are a big disadvantage because they could not test their products in the state. I recorded the hearing; I will post the relevant parts on YouTube later today.

Ranb
 
Moved this to the NFA forum. Legal was fine but this audience is probably the most interested.

Great news here, hope this continues to go well.
 
Thanks guys, thats some outstanding news. I've got a KAC SR15 that needs a can sooner than later!!
 
Though I am not a WA state resident, I am glad to see this bill go forward. I like the thought of not having to "worry" about moving to a different state and not be able to use my favorite accessory... my AAC Pilot!
 
Some concern about the 'flick knife' provision as most folding knives could be defined as such... but am hopeful for the suppressor part.
 
House bill 1016 passed a vote on the House floor.

HB 1016
Firearm noise suppressors
House vote on Final Passage
2/7/2011

Yeas: 88 Nays: 4 Absent: 0 Excused: 6

Voting Yea: Representatives Ahern, Alexander, Angel, Armstrong, Asay, Bailey, Billig, Blake, Buys, Carlyle, Chandler, Clibborn, Cody, Condotta, Crouse, Dahlquist, Dammeier, DeBolt, Dickerson, Dunshee, Fagan, Finn, Fitzgibbon, Frockt, Goodman, Green, Haigh, Haler, Hargrove, Harris, Hasegawa, Hinkle, Hope, Hunt, Hurst, Jacks, Jinkins, Johnson, Kagi, Kelley, Kenney, Kirby, Klippert, Kretz, Kristiansen, Ladenburg, Liias, Lytton, Maxwell, McCoy, McCune, Miloscia, Moeller, Morris, Moscoso, Nealey, Orcutt, Ormsby, Orwall, Overstreet, Parker, Pearson, Pedersen, Pettigrew, Probst, Reykdal, Rivers, Roberts, Rolfes, Ross, Ryu, Santos, Seaquist, Sells, Shea, Schmick, Short, Stanford, Sullivan, Takko, Taylor, Tharinger, Van De Wege, Walsh, Warnick, Wilcox, Zeiger, and Mr. Speaker
Voting Nay: Representatives Darneille, Hudgins, Hunter, and Springer
Absent:
Excused: Representatives Anderson, Appleton, Eddy, Rodne, Smith, and Upthegrove
I am not sure, but maybe Senate bill 5112 is not making progress because House bill 1016 will go to it for a vote. The list of bills getting an executive hearing in the Senate Judiciary Committee is out, and bill 5112 is not on it.

Ranb
 
Bill 5112 was heard by the Senate Judiciary Executive Committee this morning. There was no debate. The decision was a unanimous "do pass" recommendation. It goes to the Rules Committee next.

Ranb
 
If this passes my next gun purchase is getting put on the back burner and going towards a can, (and threading all my 22s) instead.
 
Anyone know the rules on a LPR owning a can? Or should I just wait until I'm a US citizen??


OT
I know I need to get my citizenship first, it'll run me ~ 700 before lawyers fees...
Then get a can !
 
What is an LPR?

Aliens can own guns in the USA. Look here; http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000922----000-.html

(y) Provisions Relating to Aliens Admitted Under Nonimmigrant Visas.—
(1) Definitions.— In this subsection—
(A) the term “alien” has the same meaning as in section 101(a)(3) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101 (a)(3)); and
(B) the term “nonimmigrant visa” has the same meaning as in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101 (a)(26)).
(2) Exceptions.— Subsections (d)(5)(B), (g)(5)(B), and (s)(3)(B)(v)(II) do not apply to any alien who has been lawfully admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa, if that alien is—
(A) admitted to the United States for lawful hunting or sporting purposes or is in possession of a hunting license or permit lawfully issued in the United States;

In WA you may need a state license to own a gunif you are an alien. http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.173 Or under other conditions you may not need one. http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.175

Silencers are firearms according to federal law, but WA law does not define them as such. I do not know if the ATF will approve an ATF form 4 for a transfer in WA for an alien resident. But if you apply and properly fill out the forms and identify yourself as a legal resident alien, it should not be a problem, they will either approve the transfer or not. I think they will.

I know one guy (an Aussie) who is planning on getting a can. He accompanied me to a meeting with the House Judiciary chairman last year to convince him to give the silencer use bill a hearing.

Go for it, get the can and the blue passport. :)

Ranb
 
I'm not required to purchase an AFL, I'm a green card holder an "LPR" aka Legal Permanent Resident, see my huge discussions on the subject on these boards...

Who needs to obtain a WA State AFL after 07/26/2009?
The non-immigrant alien who is temporarily residing in Washington, such as:
• Students on temporary school visas
• People on temporary work visas

Who DOES NOT to obtain a WA State AFL after 07/26/2009?
• Permanent resident alien (Immigrant Alien with permanent resident card)
• The non-immigrant alien not residing in Washington who is here visiting or vacationing for hunting or participating in trade shows or shooting events.
 
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