WAHHHHHH ("Freedom" States Alliance)

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Dan from MI

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I got this in my email. "Freedom" states alliance replaced anti-group Join Together when the Joyce Foundation $$$$ ran out.

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March 13, 2007
Dear John ,

As you may know, in a dismaying development, a highly partisan D.C. Court of Appeals struck down the right of the District of Columbia to reduce gun violence by banning handguns.

The Court, led by right wing Jurist Laurence Silberman, claimed that the Second Amendment -- despite decades of case law and Supreme Court precedent -- guaranteed an individual right to bear arms.

What is perhaps most baffling is why the Second Amendment was at issue in this case at all. You can own a shotgun or rifle in the District of Columbia, so the "right to bear arms" was not infringed upon in the first place. Handguns as we know them today didn't even exist at the time the Constitution was written.

In short, the District of Columbia, Chicago, and six suburbs in Illinois have all banned handguns but not infringed on any citizen's rights to own many other types of guns, including rifles and shotguns.

Please express your objections to this right wing judicial activism that will result in the loss of more lives. Click here and sign the attached statement:

http://tinyurl.com/2ry9kt

Afterwards, you'll get the chance to send it on to five friends. Please spread the word about this case.

The Constitution belongs to the American people, not some radical, NRA activist judges. They can't use our own documents as a weapon against reasonable gun legislation that keep us safe.


Sincerely,


Freedom States Alliance
Changing the Way America Thinks About Guns and Securing Our Nation's Future
 
"Banning" an entire class of firearms is not "reasonable."

If it is, then I move for another "reasonable" restriction of our rights. Henceforth, whiney-ass, tree-hugging, entitlement hounds are no longer allowed to speak. This is, IMO, a "reasonable" restriction of free speech that protects the public much in the same way that not allowing someone to yell "Fire!" when there isn't one protects the public.

Anyone second that motion?
 
Here is some more brilliance from these idiots on their web site:

A new study out of Harvard puts the pieces together on firearms ownership and the homicide rates: Where there are guns, there will be shooting.

Really? No kidding, sherlock. And, where there are cars, there will be car accidents and hit and runs.

Newsflash - kitchens with knives tend to have more laceration injuries. Kids that play baseball are more likely to get hit in the head with the ball. People that eat M&M's are more likely to choke on M&M than people who do not eat M&M's.

More sharp logic:

We have to engage in a dialog about whether Americans can be truly free when gun violence terrorizes our communities, destroys our families, and plagues our nation.

Seriously - "freedom through disarmament" - you've got to be kidding me?
 
I counted 7 lies or fabrications in the text of the letter. There may be more. I hope they keep this up it as facts start working their way out it will help the cause immensely.
 
Hello,

Your friend has sent you this message to let you know about politically motivated anti-gun organizations that have put 200+ years of liberty for we, the people at risk.

Please visit the url below to learn more:

http://tinyurl.com/2ry9kt

Common sense escapes these folks, despite judicial precedent, history, and FACTS about the uselessness of disabling natural rights. Thank God the D.C. Circuit Court has re-afirmed the 2nd amendment and its protection of individuals. For the sake of those suffering from gun bans and gun control, we've got to take a stand, and ensure these type of groups who support unconstitutional laws are removed.

Your friends at
freedomstatesalliance.com
 
If banning handguns from the People is not an unreasonable abuse of the Second Amendment, then banning internet access from the newspapers is not an unreasonable restriction on the First. After all, I think I can make a much greater argument that the internet didn't exist when the Constitution was written than they can for handguns. Besides, it might have prevented the incident over in Roanoke this past weekend.
 
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Is this a "pistol as we know it today"?

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Because they're implying that this is a "rifle as we know it today":

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The sickest thing about the whole anti-stance is that you somehow become "more free" by limiting rights rather than observing them.

We have to engage in a dialog about whether Americans can be truly free when gun violence terrorizes our communities, destroys our families, and plagues our nation.

Howsabout...

We have to engage in a dialog about whether Americans can be truly free when uncensored publications terrorize our communities, destroy our families, and plague our nation.

Oh wait, that's another political faction's argument...


Did Orwell know that his name would become an adjective?

-MV
 
What's that line about useful idiots?

These folks want to be free of gun violence? They should move to Britain. Oh, wait, they do have violence of other types there, and they still have gun violence. Ooops!
 
Well, if you want to yell at a wall, here's a copy of the email I sent to [email protected] voicing my objection to their news release. If nothing else, it annoys them while trying to find their supportive emails in a cluttered inbox. Send them a message with a subject line that does not immediately tell them that you are upset with their stance, otherwise they will delete it without even opening it. If we can't convince them, we can at least slow them down administratively.
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To Whom It May Concern:

In a public release today, your organization, the Freedom States Alliance, stated, among other things, that:

"The Court, led by right wing Jurist Laurence Silberman, claimed that the Second Amendment -- despite decades of case law and Supreme Court precedent -- guaranteed an individual right to bear arms.

What is perhaps most baffling is why the Second Amendment was at issue in this case at all. You can own a shotgun or rifle in the District of Columbia, so the "right to bear arms" was not infringed upon in the first place. Handguns as we know them today didn't even exist at the time the Constitution was written.

In short, the District of Columbia, Chicago, and six suburbs in Illinois have all banned handguns but not infringed on any citizen's rights to own many other types of guns, including rifles and shotguns.

Please express your objections to this right wing judicial activism that will result in the loss of more lives."

The ad hominem attack on Justice Silberman begins your organization's statement, and immediately alerts the educated electorate to the likelihood of more logical fallacies to follow. It is odd, however, that when judges rule in favor of gun control they are acting appropriately, however when ruling against your political agenda, they are participating in (negative buzzword) "judicial activism."

Stating that modern handguns are not protected by the Second Amendment since they "didn't even exist at the time the Constitution was written" is patently absurd. Nor did modern shotguns or rifles exist as such, which the author of the release must be aware of, and so places these firearms before the fallacious argument in order to mask your organization's long-term objective of forbidding ownership of all modern firearms. Indeed, nor did the keyboard, or even the typewriter or ball-point pen "even exist at the time the Constitution was written." By logical extension of your argument, you support classifying these as tools whose use in expression and communication can, and should, fall under government regulation and censorship.

Sadly, the third paragraph quoted above openly admits that handguns are a protected firearm while the author clearly states that it is allowable for some types to be infringed upon.

Finally, another quote from your release:

"The Constitution belongs to the American people, not some radical, NRA activist judges. They can't use our own documents as a weapon against reasonable gun legislation that keep us safe."

The Constitutions does belong to the American people, who your wording recognizes to be individuals. You cannot expect to use our own documents as a weapon against the right to keep and bear arms that keeps us safe.

Sincerely,
[Me]
 
Or, the short version:

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Your release about the DC gunlaw ruling was full of logical fallacies and misinformation. I am very upset about how you mislead people in your emails rather than providing them with facts. Please stick to demonstrable facts if you want to convince me of your stance.
 
Or even:

"My friend does civil war and american revolution reenactments as a hobby, and he laughed when I asked him about american revolution pistols and showed me the one he carries for the battles he goes to. Now I'm going to have to check out all the other stuff in your email to see what else you're lying about."

:evil:
 
That's news to me that there were no "handguns" when the constitution was written . Guess they were dueling with ripened bananas :rolleyes: Problem is , to few people actually know any history ( other than what they see in "where are they now" ) . I could rant on , but still am almost struck dumb at the "no handgun " remark .
 
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reported to RackSpace

It seems that they are gathering email addresses and sending UCE, so I hope reporting it to RS will enable RS will take down the site :neener:

Morcoth
 
D.C. Court of Appeals struck down the right of the District of Columbia to reduce gun violence by banning handguns

"Right"? There's a whopper right there. Government has no "rights". Government has "powers". Go back to Civics 101 and get a clue. Only people have rights, and the Constitution and Bill of Rights limits the power of government to infringe on those rights. Indeed, there were some who argued that enumerating certain rights would lead people to assume that others not mentioned would eventually be infringed by the government, thus the Ninth and Tenth Amendments, neither of which are "dead letters".
 
I sent them a letter that was similar to Matt C, though in it I proposed the connection of the FSA with the Joyce Foundation,FiftyCaliberTerror.com, gunguys.com, George Soros et al. I used the subject line "My friend sent me this email and I have some???" in an effort to assure someone had at least attempted to read it.

I return home to find my response:

"Who's your friend? We'd like to know who our fans are.

-FSA "

At the very least they read the subject line and responded. Or they read my letter and thought I was a lost cause.

Interestingly enough, I voiced my response with email of a notoriously antigun official. This leads you to a screen which allows you to customize the propaganda message to your liking and mass mail them to your "friends" care of said email address.
Here is a link to the page:
http://www.democracyinaction.org/di...ge=Successfully+updated+Supporter+information

Since it allows you to modify the message and send it to anyone you like, I'm amazed that this hasn't been used to spread disinformation and work against them. Imagine if an unscrupulous person were to use it to send pro-gun emails from prominent anti-gunners.

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"Who's your friend? We'd like to know who our fans are.

-FSA "

Funny, they typed exactly the same thing to me! That must have been so boring, typing the same thing letter by letter to those who wrote criticizing emails...

Anyways, I told them the truth about my orginality and reception from a friend, whose personal information I did not have permission to give out.

Well, they are certainly paranoid. They think everything is an orchestrated attack on them, it would seem.

They're sarcastic people, at that. I send them a well-thought-out and logical analysis of the mis-information in their public release, and I get two sarcastic sentences. I feel like my needs have not been met by their organization.
 
"Handguns as we know them today didn't even exist at the time the Constitution was written."

Then, parallel with the 1st Amendment, I hope he wrote his article using a quill pen and an ink pot.
 
Better yet - the Internet and mass media did not exist whent he first amendment was drafted. I guess we need to start to better "interpret" the First Amendment, too. :confused:

These people are idiots. They are mentally ill, IMO.
 
struck down the right of the District of Columbia to reduce gun violence by banning handguns.

Arggg... doublespeak! *bangs head on desk* So dumb it's painful.
 
I want to send this to everyone in the house and senate

I want to send this to everyone in the house and senate
Anyone have a ; separated list I can use?:

Hello,

Your friend has sent you this message to let you know about a politically motivated court decision that may have put years of laws designed to end free speech around the country at risk.

Please visit the url below to learn more:

http:www.thehighroad.org

Common sense and judicial precedent has taken leave of the D.C. Circuit Court. For the sake of those suffering from free speech ,we've got to take a stand.

Thanks,

Your friend, and Freedom States Alliance
freedomstatesalliance.com

HA ha, now if only I had a mass email list:uhoh:
 
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