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Wal-Mart adopts new ammo policy

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Ashcons, Jan 24, 2013.

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  1. ultramag44

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    The one clerk @ the closest Walmart will tell you the day prior if he has ammo due in that night. He knows exactly what will arrive.

    The other clerk lies and says, "We have no idea what's arriving on the truck."
     
  2. joeschmoe

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    Rationing and price controls? You guys are okay with this?:banghead:


    Capitalism is dead.
    The Republic is doomed.
     
  3. Agsalaska

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    I have a horrible problem with it. Wal-Mart, Academy, and Dicks need to raise their prices to match market demand so rationing will not be necessary.

    But, as has been proven about a million times on this board, consumers just dont understand basic economics and will rebel against distributors who float the prices based on demand(only up of course). So for the sake of customer service they have to resort to what they are doing now.

    Its sad really.
     
  4. PabloJ

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    The ethical approach is to limit number sold per customer and not to increase price. Not all "socialist ideas" are bad
    the public library system is one prime example of the socialist goodness.
     
  5. Agsalaska

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    Absolute total complete utter nonsense.


    That hurts my brain to even imagine trying to comprehend that.
     
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  6. PabloJ

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    Have you actually lived in socialist state or does your "experience" comes from media BS they been feeding you?
     
  7. Agsalaska

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    Hey Pablo, I have a question for you. Should it work the other way? You know, when supply outstrips demand and items and businesses are forced to mark down inventory, often to levels less than cost, in order to move them. So the honorable ethical thing for customers(you) to do would be to buy more than they may want at the original price? You know, to be eithical. Or does your world on work when it favors consumers?


    You know what, never mind. :banghead:
     
  8. Agsalaska

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    Pablo,

    I learned a long time ago not to argue with people on the fringes no matter which side they may be on. An argument about the advantages of socialism is on the fringe for me. So I am not going to argue with you. You can score yourself an internet win.


    Have a good day.
     
  9. joeschmoe

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    Wal-Mart is a business that has investors who expect to make a profit and pay taxes.

    The Public Library is a not-for-profit public good funded by taxes and donations. Libraries do not compete to make money.

    Do you see the difference now?
     
  10. joeschmoe

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    My family escaped from a socialist country. They told me what they experienced. Does that count?
     
  11. Malamute

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    Been looking at the local wal mart and a local shop, Shop has fair ammount of ammo of many calibers, only recently got 9mm in, but they seem to have a bit of many other things, and prices are about standard retail, other than the small amount of 22 they find somewhere, its been a bit high. The wal mart gets ammo in regularly, just not as much as they have in the past, and everyone buys it about as fast as they unpack it. There isn't any certain time it gets stocked, tho stocking late at night, and gone by morning isnt uncommon. I saw some on a pallet in the afternoon a week ago and had a sporting goods guy come unpack it and see what all they had. 17, 22 LR, 40 S&W, 45 auto, and 380's. By the time he had the cartons off the pallet and out on the counter, several other guys had come sniffing the ammo on the air currents. I bought some 22's (375 rd federals for $13 and change). He had 2 or 3 other guys buying ammo before it got into the display case. They say they get it in 2 or 3 times a week, it just doesn't last long.

    They had powder and primers a few times I was in also. Like I said, no special time it gets stocked, I look for pallets stacked up near sporting goods and look to see if there's ammo. Would like a bit more 22, but I'm fine for the time being. I've bought a box or two for others when they couldnt find any, but have no intentions of buying it all up before the hoarders get it.
     
  12. RetiredUSNChief

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    "Limit three per customer", "buy one, get one free", "monopoly", "employees of (company X) are not eligible to play", "employee discount", "senior citizen discount", "lemon law"...

    A case can be made that "socialist ideologies" are responsible for all of these, and more, if you want to get right down to it. And where the government gets involved, I can see how the case may be made in some instances.

    We can argue such dynamics until we're blue in the face. However, I refuse to believe that limits on quantities per customer by a commercial enterprise or business is socialism. When the government steps in and starts doing this, THEN I'll consider it. Until then, it's just a corporate marketing and customer service ploy which plays upon customer satisfaction. And customer satisfaction is very much a part of any economy, free market or otherwise.

    The fact is that not every customer will be "satisfied" by any given marketing ploy and anybody who believes otherwise is sadly mistaken. Marketing strategies are based on understanding this. Name any business that's been around a while and see if you can truthfully say that 100% of the customers are 100% satisfied 100% of the time.

    In one scenario, a run on the market results in scarce resources. Supply and demand drives the prices up as a result. Customer satisfaction is affected.

    In another scenario, a run on the market results in scarce resources. Supply is limited to customers at a given market price in an attempt to provide for a larger customer base overall. Customer satisfaction is affected.

    Either way, customer satisfaction is a very important corporate consideration in marketing...especially a "free market".

    The fact that places like Walmart have clearly stated their policy on ammunition sales, including the reason why, and have also clearly stated that their policy will be revisited when the current crisis subsides tells me that this is a business decision, which is all about money. Not a case of government socialism. They believe that using this marketing approach, they will have a larger percentage of their customer base satisfied than if they raise the prices on their ammunition right now.

    There is more to economics, even in a free market economy, than just "the law of supply and demand".
     
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  13. d-dogg

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    Chief, I agree with your reply.

    Walmart rationing ammo is not socialism. On the other hand, if we are to believe we are a free market society, the gougers are doing nothing wrong, rather simply taking advantage of the law of supply and demand.
     
  14. gunmn74

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    I scored some winchester .22 at Walmart

    I saw a case of the 333 count bulk pack hollow point .22 on a pallet. I asked
    about it and they got it off the pallet set it on the counter and I bought 3 boxes. 2 other guys saw this and each bought their three boxes leaving one box left that probably did not make it until I made it out the door. ($14.67 ea)
    I have been going into Walmart at 7:00 pm almost every night for 3 weeks to look at the pallets in sporting goods that are sitting out before they stock it somtime between 7:00 and 8:00 pm. They do get ammo in it just rarely makes it to the shelf.
     
  15. Agsalaska

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    Chief, You are right and is one reason I called the Pablo guys statement out as complete nonsense.

    But it is still sad that Wal-Mart has to make a decision like that over smart economics.
     
  16. RetiredUSNChief

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    It is sad that current events have lead to the existing market situation. However, that's what happens when events arise in which such runs on the market occur...people buy up all they can get, exceeding the capacity of the market to supply enough to maintain stock on the shelves.

    When this happens, companies often change their policies in order to ride through the times. They do so for a reason: marketing, both current and future. Perception has a LOT to do with profits.


    "Gougers" are a separate issue which many people also disagree with. Yes, I totally understand what "supply and demand" means in a free market enterprise. I don't care philosophically when supply and demand on the market causes prices to go up. It's an inconvenience, but them's the breaks.

    True "gougers", in my opinion, are parasites. They act maliciously with the existing supplies available to people. Intent is everything to me. Got a truck load of supplies sitting in your garage? Fine, sell it for whatever you can get for it. Buying up all the scarce supplies off the shelves just to turn around and sell it at a huge profit margin in times of crisis? Bugger off...you're deliberately removing supplies from the hands of people who otherwise want/need it in order to artificially keep the prices inflated and to monopolize the availability through you.

    I don't care what the law says about gouging. Such laws are extremely vague and, in my opinion, are too all-inclusive. It's impossible to gage intent they way they are written...they typically rely solely on whether or not a person is selling/reselling above pre-crisis pricing, which is NOT necessarily gouging.


    Understand that while I'm not going to agree with everybody who says "there is no gouging, it's the law of supply and demand", I'm also NOT going to agree with everybody who says "he's taking advantage of the situation to gouge everybody on prices".

    Both are extreme opposites of the spectrum on the subject, and the truth of any particular instance most often lies somewhere in between those extremes.


    I've kind of drifted off-topic here, and I appologize. The subject has to do with Walmart's policy change, which they put out last January. The article linked in the OP had this to say from a Walmart representative:

    Lundberg said, "We are trying to take care of as many customers as possible because supply is limited at this time." He said Walmart stores are monitoring supply issues daily and will address purchase limits once supply issues are resolved.

    This is a corporate decision, made for some of the reasons I listed in my last posting. Let's leave it at that.

    :):)
     
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