Deltaboy1984
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Amen AG. I just know they were doing something Boneheaded.
Walmart Buck 110
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ArfinGreebly
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Application?
So, I'm curious to know . . .
I want to know what makes locks on the Buck 110 fail. I own something like a dozen of them.
Your assertion that they're unreliable leads me to inquire what things I should avoid doing.
I would consider it a courtesy if I could get an answer to that.
So, I'm curious to know . . .
Because . . . ? What was the application that led to failure?
Is that the application that caused the failure?
Your creds are not in question.
I want to know what makes locks on the Buck 110 fail. I own something like a dozen of them.
Your assertion that they're unreliable leads me to inquire what things I should avoid doing.
I would consider it a courtesy if I could get an answer to that.
X-Rap
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Application?
Simply a daily carry that got lots of use from cutting lunch meat and cheese to gutting deer and no doubt some shop work that would make some cringe.
The test, it is simply a test that proved in my mind the safety of the mechanism. I have a Kershaw that is very much the same as a 110 if not a little smaller and the lock does not fail using the same test. I have used this knife for about 10 yrs under approximate use and conditions I subjected the Buck to.
If you choose to carry the knife more power to you, my courtesy was to simply point out a flaw I had seen and pass it on not to drag your knife through the mud.
Have you tried the test?
Simply a daily carry that got lots of use from cutting lunch meat and cheese to gutting deer and no doubt some shop work that would make some cringe.
The test, it is simply a test that proved in my mind the safety of the mechanism. I have a Kershaw that is very much the same as a 110 if not a little smaller and the lock does not fail using the same test. I have used this knife for about 10 yrs under approximate use and conditions I subjected the Buck to.
If you choose to carry the knife more power to you, my courtesy was to simply point out a flaw I had seen and pass it on not to drag your knife through the mud.
Have you tried the test?
ArfinGreebly
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I see.
I wish I could say that clarifies the matter.
I haven't tried the test. I'll give it a go. Let you know what I find.
I see.
I wish I could say that clarifies the matter.
I haven't tried the test. I'll give it a go. Let you know what I find.
Averageman
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I have to agree
it's kind of jumping to a conclusion that someone was doing something "Boneheaded" just because something might have slipped through quality control.
I was also unhappy with the blades side to side travel when "Locked" I found it sloppy and an irritant while using it.
Your good luck with them and my bad luck with them sounds an awful lot like the Ford vs Chevy debate.
I will continue to carry a small fixed blade instead.
it's kind of jumping to a conclusion that someone was doing something "Boneheaded" just because something might have slipped through quality control.
I was also unhappy with the blades side to side travel when "Locked" I found it sloppy and an irritant while using it.
Your good luck with them and my bad luck with them sounds an awful lot like the Ford vs Chevy debate.
I will continue to carry a small fixed blade instead.
AKElroy
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This is about proper use in IMO. What you describe is not intended use. I have never had a lock on a 110 fail, but I have never considered it proper use to use the back of the blade for anything. I don't expect my rifle barrels to serve as crowbars, either.
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Well, I'm still happy with my new Buck 110.
In fact it's on my hip as I type this.
On a serious note, none of my 110's have any noticable blade play. They are solid, and I've only purchased (in recent years) over the counter Walmart specials (3 of them to be exact). When I bought the one that caused me to start this thread I did look at two specimens, and the first had a slight amount of side to side play when locked open. Since they had multiples, I took the second which had none. If they'd only have had one it stock, I would have bought it anyway because it was so slight. I haven't actually checked my 2 Founder Edition 110's for blade play as I only bought them because the $20 price tag was too good to pass up, and they remain in their tins.
In fact it's on my hip as I type this. On a serious note, none of my 110's have any noticable blade play. They are solid, and I've only purchased (in recent years) over the counter Walmart specials (3 of them to be exact). When I bought the one that caused me to start this thread I did look at two specimens, and the first had a slight amount of side to side play when locked open. Since they had multiples, I took the second which had none. If they'd only have had one it stock, I would have bought it anyway because it was so slight. I haven't actually checked my 2 Founder Edition 110's for blade play as I only bought them because the $20 price tag was too good to pass up, and they remain in their tins.
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Stainz
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As a result of some of the negative statements here, I posted a question yesterday concerning 110 lock failures on the Buck sub-forum at bladeforums.com. To be brutally blunt, the lock failure 'problem' is all but non-existent. Anyone now bothered by the negative posts here should read those posts. To be sure, the Buck 110 is a fully functional - and dependable - classic knife, even making Blade magazines 'Top Five' favorite Vietnam-era knives, which also included the old KaBar. Of course, I stand by my original statement - a knife is a cutting tool - not a prybar - or even a die. Prying, battoning, or twisting is ill-advised with any folder.
What Kershaw resembles a 110? All but one of my collection of Kershaws are frame or liner locks, the contrary example being my only Seki, Japan made Kershaw - a 1993-2 'Gentleman's Folder'. It is certainly a lighter duty design lockback than the 110.
If you have a loose 110, send it back - they'll repair or replace it gratis.
Stainz
What Kershaw resembles a 110? All but one of my collection of Kershaws are frame or liner locks, the contrary example being my only Seki, Japan made Kershaw - a 1993-2 'Gentleman's Folder'. It is certainly a lighter duty design lockback than the 110.
If you have a loose 110, send it back - they'll repair or replace it gratis.
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ArfinGreebly
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Kershaw/Buck
The Kershaw 31xx line.
The 3140 "Black Gulch" is a full-sized lockback folder of essentially the same design.
The 3120 is equivalent to the Buck 112.
The 3110 and 3100 are smaller, but of the same pattern.
The Kershaw 31xx line.
The 3140 "Black Gulch" is a full-sized lockback folder of essentially the same design.
The 3120 is equivalent to the Buck 112.
The 3110 and 3100 are smaller, but of the same pattern.
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TimboKhan
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I have had one of these since I was a kid, and still have it. To be honest, it hasn't seen much use, though I did cut up my first elk with it. That is more of a matter of A: misplacing it in my moms basement for over a decade and B: owning other knives at various points that were used. Certainly, I trust it to do the job it was intended for with no reservation.
Of course there will be guys who have had failures. A folding knife is a mechanical thing, and mechanical things can and will fail, period. There isn't a single folding knife on the market that at some point, due to human error, incorrect usage, ordinary wear and tear or something else that doesn't have the potential to fail if it hasn't already. Some knives are better than others, obviously, but if it moves, it can fail.
I don't know where this knife ranks on the list of failures, and I don't know that I care. I am a recent convert to the joys of the simple slipjoint, and I don't worry about those closing on my hand, so why should I worry about the Buck? I am not pointing fingers at anyone and implying improper usage, but speaking for me, I don't know that I could worry less about this design closing up on me.
Of course there will be guys who have had failures. A folding knife is a mechanical thing, and mechanical things can and will fail, period. There isn't a single folding knife on the market that at some point, due to human error, incorrect usage, ordinary wear and tear or something else that doesn't have the potential to fail if it hasn't already. Some knives are better than others, obviously, but if it moves, it can fail.
I don't know where this knife ranks on the list of failures, and I don't know that I care. I am a recent convert to the joys of the simple slipjoint, and I don't worry about those closing on my hand, so why should I worry about the Buck? I am not pointing fingers at anyone and implying improper usage, but speaking for me, I don't know that I could worry less about this design closing up on me.
X-Rap
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I have a question, how would one test a lock?
I have only stated a simple test that I have used to check the integrity of a safety devise. I do not open beer kegs and oil drums with the back of my knife blades, only hit it against the rubber sole of my boot to see if the lock indeed engages and holds against a little stress.
While that is indeed not an intended use I personally know of no other method quite as simple. I suppose you could send it to the manufactorer and have them test it.
I don't know what has every bodies pantys in a knot, I simply put out a heads up on an issue that I found compelling enough for me to stay away from a certain model knife for over 25 yrs.
I have found others to fill that niche that don't have the same problems and I'm happy with that. If you don't wish to give my test a try and think your knife is to fragile then thats fine, I didn't wake up and say "I think I will trash Buck 110's for no reason".
I have only stated a simple test that I have used to check the integrity of a safety devise. I do not open beer kegs and oil drums with the back of my knife blades, only hit it against the rubber sole of my boot to see if the lock indeed engages and holds against a little stress.
While that is indeed not an intended use I personally know of no other method quite as simple. I suppose you could send it to the manufactorer and have them test it.
I don't know what has every bodies pantys in a knot, I simply put out a heads up on an issue that I found compelling enough for me to stay away from a certain model knife for over 25 yrs.
I have found others to fill that niche that don't have the same problems and I'm happy with that. If you don't wish to give my test a try and think your knife is to fragile then thats fine, I didn't wake up and say "I think I will trash Buck 110's for no reason".
You are indeed right, it is a 3120 and while I don't have a collection nor am I a knife designer the Kershaw is hardly a lighter duty design only because it doesn't have the girth of the Buck. I would say the SS is easily as sturdy as the other and a big plus is the lock has a solid audible engagement and doesn't come undone with a little pop to the bottom of the boot.
22-rimfire
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The only knife that I have had fold onto my fingers (and only barely as I caught the movement) when I was not expecting it was a Case slippie. That knife is gone. That was when I was a kid carving my initials in Beech trees. Might be fun to go back and see if I can find any of them. My Dad was always proud that one of his survived 30-40 years when he as a kid and we'd see it from time to time.
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