mvdemarco
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Looking at each. Which do you prefer for quality, durability and accuracy?
Need opinions.
Thanks,
Mike
Need opinions.
Thanks,
Mike
Walther P99 or Sig 229 .40
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Ala Dan
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Greeting's Mike-
Honestly, I've never owned or shot the Walther P-99;
but I did have a NIB SIGARMS P229 in .40S&W. I did
not care for the muzzle blast and recoil of the factory
ammunition that was currently available in this caliber.
As to quality and durability? I don't think you can beat
it; as SIG-SAUER/SIGARMS hold their weapons to some
of the highest standards in the industry, bar none!
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
Honestly, I've never owned or shot the Walther P-99;
but I did have a NIB SIGARMS P229 in .40S&W. I did
not care for the muzzle blast and recoil of the factory
ammunition that was currently available in this caliber.
As to quality and durability? I don't think you can beat
it; as SIG-SAUER/SIGARMS hold their weapons to some
of the highest standards in the industry, bar none!
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
vikesh
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unfair comparison, the sig is just in a totally different class to the walther.
P229 has one of the best triggers, easy to point and dead accurate at 25meters.
Choice is yours, mine is the Sig...
P229 has one of the best triggers, easy to point and dead accurate at 25meters.
Choice is yours, mine is the Sig...
You've obviously never shot a P99.
The P99 has a better trigger by far. The DA is smoother, and the reset is significantly shorter.
The P99 holds just as many rounds, in a lighter, smaller package.
Accuracy is comparable.
Pointability is subjective.
Sig's are excellent, but the Walther is most assuredly in the same class.
They are a different breed you need to hold both and shoot both. The wieght is different, the recoil different, the grip different. Both have very good safety aspects and are very accurate.
I'll just repeat what ol'timers have told me, get what works for your specific taste.
I like the Sig, I have the Walther as a backup.
I'll just repeat what ol'timers have told me, get what works for your specific taste.
I like the Sig, I have the Walther as a backup.
rock jock
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Yeah, you're right. The Walther is better.
mvdemarco
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Is the Walther as durable as the Sig? Anyone really put alot of rounds through theirs?
45R
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Hummm now that is a tough call!!!!!! I'd have to say both are pretty accurate, reliable (make sure you get the P99 with updated followers) and both have sweeet triggers.
Both Sig and SW have excellent CS. I'd shoot the both and pick the one that you like the best!!!!!
Both Sig and SW have excellent CS. I'd shoot the both and pick the one that you like the best!!!!!
Sven
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I wouldn't have looked closely at the P99 design, but it fits my friend's hands well and she is getting one so I tried it - I was impressed. It had the best ergonomics of any guns that we held that day. There were adjustible backstraps for different hands... I look forward to seeing how it holds up.
PCRCCW
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I too say "Rough call". Both are stellar guns.
The Walther is far more adjustable ergonomically and sight wise also. The quality is the same.
If the Sig fits your hand and you shoot it well either is great.
The Sig recoils more in my hands more than the P99 even though its a heavier gun..........
Shoot well.
The Walther is far more adjustable ergonomically and sight wise also. The quality is the same.
If the Sig fits your hand and you shoot it well either is great.
The Sig recoils more in my hands more than the P99 even though its a heavier gun..........
Shoot well.
mvdemarco
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I have handled both and I feel that the Walther fits my hand better than the Sig too. There may be a new Walther somewhere in my near future if reliability, accuracy and durability are not an issue.
Holden
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Of the two, I chose the P229 over the Walther bc of reputation for quality and reputation for accuracy- very happy w/ my choice. Some things not yet mentioned, but were important to me: 1. the mag release button is more ergonomic, to me, on the P229; 2. the decocker is well thought out on the P229; and 3. more aftermarket options for grips on the P229 - important bc it is possible to customize how the gun feels in your hands. As mentioned, the P229 is heavier/solid built. This DOES reduce recoil to almost nothing. Shot Glocks, P220, and a few other no names and am happy with the P229 - I am trying to buy another as we speak. Look around - can be had for $500 used.
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I like the clean look and snag free design of the P99 de-cocker. The Sig just gets too "busy" on the left side. IMO
Yea, the three changeable backstraps that come with the P99 don't allow for any grip adjustments. And the Walther "derma-grip" add on wouldn't change anything either. Much better to go out and buy some aftermarket grips.
They are both solid pistols, it all comes down to how it fits the individual.
simonBarsinister
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I added the Hogue HANDALL slip-on grip to my P99 and I love it. I got the one for a medium glock.
Holden
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NMGlocker,
As to the decocker - function over form. Not talking about looks, but to me, the decocker on the P229 is much more functional (especially one handed) and ergonomic. I think it looks fine, even great, you say busy; oh well. The key is performance. This includes the mag release, also. The mag release on the P99 is not very functional in practical situations i.e., not easily operated by one hand - or if so, not as easily operated as the Sig. Key to me is function and the SIG is a well thought out, practical for a variety of situations handgun.
As to AFTERMARKET grips - the Sig has more options for customization bc of Walther's proprietary grip system. Didn't say the P99 was or was not customizable, just that there weren't many options to add Nils or Hogue aftermarket wood/polymer/rubber grips. One is relegated to a slip on - talk about your looks. Spend $6-700 on a gun and put a slip on grip on it??? Please comprehend what you are reading before posting sarcastic replies.
In the end, these are the reasons I gave for MY preference. Hopefully they will be helpful, but I understand not all of the things I look for in a pistol are what someone else may look for. For example, you say that it all comes down to fit (if so, why criticize looks - but I digress). Sorry, I choose my weapons for fit, reliability, quality, utility, and performance. Under these criteria, IMHO, the Walther, or the Glock, doesn't hold a candle to the Sig. The majority of objective opinions agree with this assessment. I think the Walther is a fine weapon, but under MY criteria, The Sig edges it out.
As to the decocker - function over form. Not talking about looks, but to me, the decocker on the P229 is much more functional (especially one handed) and ergonomic. I think it looks fine, even great, you say busy; oh well. The key is performance. This includes the mag release, also. The mag release on the P99 is not very functional in practical situations i.e., not easily operated by one hand - or if so, not as easily operated as the Sig. Key to me is function and the SIG is a well thought out, practical for a variety of situations handgun.
As to AFTERMARKET grips - the Sig has more options for customization bc of Walther's proprietary grip system. Didn't say the P99 was or was not customizable, just that there weren't many options to add Nils or Hogue aftermarket wood/polymer/rubber grips. One is relegated to a slip on - talk about your looks. Spend $6-700 on a gun and put a slip on grip on it??? Please comprehend what you are reading before posting sarcastic replies.
In the end, these are the reasons I gave for MY preference. Hopefully they will be helpful, but I understand not all of the things I look for in a pistol are what someone else may look for. For example, you say that it all comes down to fit (if so, why criticize looks - but I digress). Sorry, I choose my weapons for fit, reliability, quality, utility, and performance. Under these criteria, IMHO, the Walther, or the Glock, doesn't hold a candle to the Sig. The majority of objective opinions agree with this assessment. I think the Walther is a fine weapon, but under MY criteria, The Sig edges it out.
Both excellent guns. I did own a P99, and I currently own a P229.
I'd give the nod to the SIG. Slightly better in accuracy, trigger pull, and high-cap mag availability.
PLUS you can drop in a .357 SIG barrel and have a ripping second caliber!
I'd give the nod to the SIG. Slightly better in accuracy, trigger pull, and high-cap mag availability.
PLUS you can drop in a .357 SIG barrel and have a ripping second caliber!
For you maybe. I use my thumb on the P99 de-cocker and have no problems. "Speed de-cocking" isn't a high priority for me either. the snag free design is a greater asset IMO than ease of use for a de-cocker lever.
Try using your index finger to manipulate the P99 magazine release rather than your thumb, makes for a very quick one handed release, without disturbing your grip.
I knew exactly what you were talking about, and pointed out that the Walther doesn't *need* aftermarket grips for the majority of people, because they have adjustable backstraps from the factory.
That statement just shows your ignorance and bias.
Gock, Walther, and Sig are all excellent pistols, and each is superior to the others in one aspect or another, and inferior in one aspect or another.
The Sig is heavier and the bore axis is higher than the P99 or Glock, the Sig also has a horrible trigger reset. Ergonomics are excellent, accuracy is usually excellent, reliability is excellent.
The Glock has a spongy trigger, with a decent reset. The grip angle is weird for some people. Accuracy is usually good, reliability is excellent. Plastic sights suck.
The Walther has an odd trigger with the 3 "modes", but the trigger reset is superior to all but the 1911. Plastic sights suck. "Paddle" mag release is different than the American norm. The one year warranty sucks. Ergonomics are excellent. Accuracy is excellent, reliability is excellent in 9mm, good in .40.
To each his own, but saying the Sig is superior, and the P99 and Glock don't "hold a candle" to the Sig is ignorant.
At least be honest enough to evaluate your own pistol with a critical eye.
Mastrogiacomo
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I've wondered about the Sig too. I plan to get a Sig Pro myself in a 9mm but I'm worried about the Sig Sauer -- very expensive guns and some of the ones I've spotted over the months on gun sites have had chipping. Isn't this too expensive a gun to suffer from trouble with the finish? I've never heard of this problem happening with other gun brands....curious. 
mvdemarco
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Mastrogiacomo,
I do have a Sipro 2009. It is an excellant pistol! I see no signs of chipping or bad finish anywhere. I would highly recommend one!
Mike
I do have a Sipro 2009. It is an excellant pistol! I see no signs of chipping or bad finish anywhere. I would highly recommend one!
Mike
Mastrogiacomo
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The Sig Pro is a must have and I'm getting it, no question about it. I'd also like a Sig 239 at some point, so you can imagine how shocked I was to see some sellers saying "used with some chipping on the finish..." For a Sig, I can't understand why it would have that problem. The Sig Pro and 239 run about the same price here which is why I'm looking at those. I'd love a 226 but it cost about the same as an H&K -- and given the finish issues, not sure I want to go that high. I might end up getting the Sig Pro in black and another in two-tone....
Holden
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NMGlock,
From the original poster. This is where we start.
"That statement just shows your ignorance and bias."
IMHO means In My Honest Opinion - Ignorant? Nah. Biased? Yes! It's my opinion. Very observant, although I'm thinking it may be you that is ignorant. Again, you took this statement out of context. This was in response to your statement where you said, "it all comes down to to how it fits the individual."
If you knew what I was talking about, then why comment when said comments have NO relevence as to what I was talking about? Amazing. And ignorant.
"To each his own"? - My point exactly. Again, I gave my opinion. jees
I gave MY reasons for choosing SIg over the others. I didn't choose blindly, having shot many pistols before putting down my money. I have evaluated with discretion and according to the criteria that was important to me, I chose SIG.
Looking over the thread, seems everyone who said ANYTHING positive about the Sig, you appear to feel as though your job is to police their opinions - yet, no one is as determined as you to undermine any opinion that differs from their own. Post YOUR reasons for choosing YOUR gun and let the original poster make up his mind. In none of these posts has anyone claimed that their statements are fact or the law - they are merely those people's opinions. I have conditioned my responses as being my opinion (although most would understand this) and feel that I have given the reasons and justifications of why I feel the way I do about SIGS. If you don't agree, fine. :banghead: I am confident enough to think that most people on this forum understand your propensity for taking comments out of context as flawed and illogical - my hope is that this post enlightens you.
From the original poster. This is where we start.
"That statement just shows your ignorance and bias."
IMHO means In My Honest Opinion - Ignorant? Nah. Biased? Yes! It's my opinion. Very observant, although I'm thinking it may be you that is ignorant. Again, you took this statement out of context. This was in response to your statement where you said, "it all comes down to to how it fits the individual."
If you knew what I was talking about, then why comment when said comments have NO relevence as to what I was talking about? Amazing. And ignorant.
"To each his own"? - My point exactly. Again, I gave my opinion. jees
I gave MY reasons for choosing SIg over the others. I didn't choose blindly, having shot many pistols before putting down my money. I have evaluated with discretion and according to the criteria that was important to me, I chose SIG.
Looking over the thread, seems everyone who said ANYTHING positive about the Sig, you appear to feel as though your job is to police their opinions - yet, no one is as determined as you to undermine any opinion that differs from their own. Post YOUR reasons for choosing YOUR gun and let the original poster make up his mind. In none of these posts has anyone claimed that their statements are fact or the law - they are merely those people's opinions. I have conditioned my responses as being my opinion (although most would understand this) and feel that I have given the reasons and justifications of why I feel the way I do about SIGS. If you don't agree, fine. :banghead: I am confident enough to think that most people on this forum understand your propensity for taking comments out of context as flawed and illogical - my hope is that this post enlightens you.
mr. e
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I own and shoot both quite a bit. I like the solid feel of the SIG and you can see that it's well designed and made. The fact that the blackened finish of the stainless slide isn't very durable is about my only complaint. It was my carry gun and the grip feels as if it was custom designed for my hand, even though I tend to shoot a bit low when point shooting from a holster draw.
Then I got the Walther. On inspection and handling it doesn't seem to as solid as the P229, but the slide finish is much more durable than the SIG's. The trigger isn't as smooth as the SIG and it's harder to shoot as accurately in slow fire, but its short reset is quicker than the SIG in SA mode. It fits my hand fine, and the grip geometry allows me to point it more naturally when point shooting.
Overall, the Walther is much better than good enough in quality and ergonomics and has never malfunctioned with factory ammo (I can't even remember a malfunction with my reloads). It's now my winter carry gun partially because of its lighter weight and partially because it just seems to fit into my ribcage better when carried OWB at 4 o'clock when compared to the SIG.
Then I got the Walther. On inspection and handling it doesn't seem to as solid as the P229, but the slide finish is much more durable than the SIG's. The trigger isn't as smooth as the SIG and it's harder to shoot as accurately in slow fire, but its short reset is quicker than the SIG in SA mode. It fits my hand fine, and the grip geometry allows me to point it more naturally when point shooting.
Overall, the Walther is much better than good enough in quality and ergonomics and has never malfunctioned with factory ammo (I can't even remember a malfunction with my reloads). It's now my winter carry gun partially because of its lighter weight and partially because it just seems to fit into my ribcage better when carried OWB at 4 o'clock when compared to the SIG.
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