Greg8098
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I already own a GLOCK 19 and thinking about purchasing a Walther P99. Which one is superior in durability, reliability and finish. I don't know any P99 owners, but would like to hear of any experiences with them.
Walther P99 vs. GLOCK 19
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BsChoy
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The biggest difference is the trigger pull and the mag release thats it. Both have tenifer finishes and are great guns. I did find my P99 to have a very stiff mag release however and required pinching down with my trigger finger and thumb to get it out. But decent guns none the less
10-Ring
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As an all around piece, the Glock is the one to have...as a platform tho, the P99 has nicer ergos & trigger.
Dollar An Hour
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I like the P99 for the ergonomics, AS trigger, easier-to-deal-with mag release, and field strip without trigger pull. 
Owning both I've found the P99 to be my favorite. It has "second strike" capabilities that the Glock does not. I find that to be a very important feature for a self defense weapon.
The P99's trigger (AS) is different and takes some time to fully break in and to get used to, but now that I have accomplished both I find I prefer it's trigger over any other trigger I've ever pulled. My double taps are Hollyweird fast!
I've never had a FTF with my P99, but have had a couple of issues with my Glock, although they admittedly could have been ammo related as I normally shoot crappy ammo...
I "feel" safer with the P99 stuffed into my pocket or under my belt, because of the DA/SA trigger... I only carry my Glock in a holster that covers the trigger guard completly...
I shoot the P99 better than my Glock, but that could just be me...
I've never had either break, so that's a toss up...
There are more accessories available for the Glock...
I really like the way the striker (slide) can be easily cleaned in the P99...
Bottom line, you can go wrong either way.... But, to me, the P99 is a Glock on steroids!
The P99's trigger (AS) is different and takes some time to fully break in and to get used to, but now that I have accomplished both I find I prefer it's trigger over any other trigger I've ever pulled. My double taps are Hollyweird fast!
I've never had a FTF with my P99, but have had a couple of issues with my Glock, although they admittedly could have been ammo related as I normally shoot crappy ammo...
I "feel" safer with the P99 stuffed into my pocket or under my belt, because of the DA/SA trigger... I only carry my Glock in a holster that covers the trigger guard completly...
I shoot the P99 better than my Glock, but that could just be me...
I've never had either break, so that's a toss up...
There are more accessories available for the Glock...
I really like the way the striker (slide) can be easily cleaned in the P99...
Bottom line, you can go wrong either way.... But, to me, the P99 is a Glock on steroids!
Autolycus
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I would say to go with the P99.
However it will be easier to find parts for the Glock.
However it will be easier to find parts for the Glock.
P99: Great Gun
I'm very happy with mine. I just got back from the range where I shot it for the first time in a couple weeks and fell in love all over again.
The ergo is great, as is the accuracy and reliability. I've never had a FTF or FTE in the thousands of rounds I've put through it. I have the AS trigger systems because I'm used to the DA/SA transition.
I highly recommend you get one.
I'm very happy with mine. I just got back from the range where I shot it for the first time in a couple weeks and fell in love all over again.
The ergo is great, as is the accuracy and reliability. I've never had a FTF or FTE in the thousands of rounds I've put through it. I have the AS trigger systems because I'm used to the DA/SA transition.
I highly recommend you get one.
HorseSoldier
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Glock versus P-99 . . .
I own a P-99AS in 9mm and used to own a G-21.
Durability -- Never had any complaints with either. Both are excellent, but I'd not say one is better than the other.
Reliability -- P-99 has never had a hiccup. The G-21 had exactly one failure to fire when I owned it, but I'd say it was round not the gun, since it delivered a good hard primer strike. Same deal as reliability -- advantage to neither, because both are excellent.
Finish -- Same technique and technology, if I'm not mistaken. Again, I'd say neither has any advantage over the other, but both are top rate.
Things I do like about the P-99 that are different than the Glock:
Adjustable grip size is very nice unless you have solidly average side hands.
I personally really like the Anti-Stress trigger with it's DA/SA format. If you like the Glock trigger, the Quick Action option may be preferable.
Mag release is different (basically USP style). Not saying it's a plus or minus, just different.
The main downside I've found with the P-99 compared to Glock pistols is that there does not seem to be as much after market stuff out there (if you need any of that sort of stuff) and it's somewhat pricier. I've never tried to really jazz up my P-99 but mags are about twice as expensive Glock factory mags.
I own a P-99AS in 9mm and used to own a G-21.
Durability -- Never had any complaints with either. Both are excellent, but I'd not say one is better than the other.
Reliability -- P-99 has never had a hiccup. The G-21 had exactly one failure to fire when I owned it, but I'd say it was round not the gun, since it delivered a good hard primer strike. Same deal as reliability -- advantage to neither, because both are excellent.
Finish -- Same technique and technology, if I'm not mistaken. Again, I'd say neither has any advantage over the other, but both are top rate.
Things I do like about the P-99 that are different than the Glock:
Adjustable grip size is very nice unless you have solidly average side hands.
I personally really like the Anti-Stress trigger with it's DA/SA format. If you like the Glock trigger, the Quick Action option may be preferable.
Mag release is different (basically USP style). Not saying it's a plus or minus, just different.
The main downside I've found with the P-99 compared to Glock pistols is that there does not seem to be as much after market stuff out there (if you need any of that sort of stuff) and it's somewhat pricier. I've never tried to really jazz up my P-99 but mags are about twice as expensive Glock factory mags.
FPrice
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A long time ago I bought both a G-19 and a Walther P99. I now have two G-19s and no Walther. The Walther was not a bad gun but for me the Glock felt better in my hand and I was able to shoot it better. Some people feel just the opposite. My advice is to try both and pick the one which you think you shoot best.
They have the same finish. The only reliability problems I've ever heard about on the P99 are from people "who have a friend or heard on the internet." I love my P99 and wouldn't trade it for a glock any day.
The P99 is available in 3 trigger types as well which I think is nice to have options.
The P99 is available in 3 trigger types as well which I think is nice to have options.
P99 is the best gun, in my opinion. I shoot the fullsize version better than I do a 1911. It was irritating last year when I shot my SW99 (a smith clone) better than a $1200 Springfield TRP 1911.
I currently have a P99, SW99 and a P99 compact.
All hard chromed
I currently have a P99, SW99 and a P99 compact.
All hard chromed
Lone_Gunman
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Why?
I own a glock 19, my buddy has a P99 in 9mm. We've compared the guns quite a bit since we shoot together a lot. His is a DA/SA model.
The P99 and glock both have no marks on them from several years of use (we've both carried ours on occasion).
Neither have had a single malfunction.
The magazine release on the walther seems quite a bit slower than the glocks, it could be that we were both trained using standard style magazine releases, but both of us have slower reload times using the walther. It's not a huge difference, but it's there for both of us. It should be noted that my buddy has a bigger difference in magazine changes when using his glocks and his walther.
Trigger, hard to compare since I did a trigger job on the 19, installed a 3.5# connector with a polish job. My buddy wanted to do one to his Walther, but couldn't find any resources to guide him to it, and the local gunsmith wanted about $50 at the time to do a polish job on it. So he never got one done.
He never carries or uses the DA mode. he prefers the lighter trigger for carry and general shooting.
Accuracy wise, the guns are very close, we both shoot tighter groups with the glock than the walther but both guns can outshoot us. I haven't seen any comparisons or even tests on the 99 for that matter form a ransom rest.
Aftermarket parts/support: Glock has so many aftermarket parts and armorers running around it's hard to not run into them. The only thing I've ever seen for hte Walther were magazines for $45 a pop vs $20 for the glock.
Cost: 9mm/40 cal glocks run right at $500 in my area, the Walther runs $620ish.
Final choice: I voted glock for myself, because I simply like them better, I carry a model 30 that converted my walther toting friend. He now carries a model 30 as well. If you like the walther, you shouldn't have any problems with it.
I do like the walther, and thought about getting one for a while, but the 45 version sucks IMHO. I'm still tempted by the 99 and if I ever run across a cheap 9mm when I have the $$$ I'll probably get one. However, I don't see why it's over $100 more than the glock it copied.
The P99 and glock both have no marks on them from several years of use (we've both carried ours on occasion).
Neither have had a single malfunction.
The magazine release on the walther seems quite a bit slower than the glocks, it could be that we were both trained using standard style magazine releases, but both of us have slower reload times using the walther. It's not a huge difference, but it's there for both of us. It should be noted that my buddy has a bigger difference in magazine changes when using his glocks and his walther.
Trigger, hard to compare since I did a trigger job on the 19, installed a 3.5# connector with a polish job. My buddy wanted to do one to his Walther, but couldn't find any resources to guide him to it, and the local gunsmith wanted about $50 at the time to do a polish job on it. So he never got one done.
He never carries or uses the DA mode. he prefers the lighter trigger for carry and general shooting.
Accuracy wise, the guns are very close, we both shoot tighter groups with the glock than the walther but both guns can outshoot us. I haven't seen any comparisons or even tests on the 99 for that matter form a ransom rest.
Aftermarket parts/support: Glock has so many aftermarket parts and armorers running around it's hard to not run into them. The only thing I've ever seen for hte Walther were magazines for $45 a pop vs $20 for the glock.
Cost: 9mm/40 cal glocks run right at $500 in my area, the Walther runs $620ish.
Final choice: I voted glock for myself, because I simply like them better, I carry a model 30 that converted my walther toting friend.
He now carries a model 30 as well. If you like the walther, you shouldn't have any problems with it. I do like the walther, and thought about getting one for a while, but the 45 version sucks IMHO. I'm still tempted by the 99 and if I ever run across a cheap 9mm when I have the $$$ I'll probably get one. However, I don't see why it's over $100 more than the glock it copied.
gudel
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Which one of you people who had the P99 rear sight breaking off?
denfoote
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I like the placement of the mag release.
I have a short thumb abd it is difficult to reach the button on my G23.
The P99 solves that problem.
My only complaint, which is not associated with the gun, is that I only have a kydex IWB holster for it. I cannot wear it much any more because it hurts my hip!!
I have a short thumb abd it is difficult to reach the button on my G23.
The P99 solves that problem.
My only complaint, which is not associated with the gun, is that I only have a kydex IWB holster for it. I cannot wear it much any more because it hurts my hip!!
TOADMAN
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The G19 is better overall, IMO, than the P99. If you want to compliment the G19 - skip over the P99 and get a G26..
Why ?
Why do I like the second strike capabilities of the P99?
In the event of the failure for the bullet to discharge, a person needs only, in many cases, to just pull the trigger a second time.
After many years of shooting (nearly 50) I've had many occasions for a primer to not ignite. Mostly with .22's, but with center fire bullets also. Most of the time a second "hit" of the firring pin will cause the bullet to fire. In a fire arm that is not equipped with the second strike capabilities this will cause some fumbling around with the arm to clear it and either go to the next round or to reinsert the cartridge to see if it's a complete dud or just a flaky primer... In any event, it takes time and time is a luxury ill afforded in a defensive situation...
Ever wonder why the Glock was not in the USA trials when it was looking for a new hand gun to replace the venerable 1911? The Glock never got out of the starting gate because the second strike capability was on the Government's check list for requirements...
If the Military deems it THAT important, so do I...
I'm not putting Glock down, it's a good gun, I even own some....
I'll say this however, if the P99c was available when I bought my G26, I'd of bought the Walther.
The Walther is an improvement over the Glock as I predict time will tell...
I own(ed) several hand guns that do not have the second strike capabilities, I just wont buy another one for self defense that doesent...
Why do I like the second strike capabilities of the P99?
In the event of the failure for the bullet to discharge, a person needs only, in many cases, to just pull the trigger a second time.
After many years of shooting (nearly 50) I've had many occasions for a primer to not ignite. Mostly with .22's, but with center fire bullets also. Most of the time a second "hit" of the firring pin will cause the bullet to fire. In a fire arm that is not equipped with the second strike capabilities this will cause some fumbling around with the arm to clear it and either go to the next round or to reinsert the cartridge to see if it's a complete dud or just a flaky primer... In any event, it takes time and time is a luxury ill afforded in a defensive situation...
Ever wonder why the Glock was not in the USA trials when it was looking for a new hand gun to replace the venerable 1911? The Glock never got out of the starting gate because the second strike capability was on the Government's check list for requirements...
If the Military deems it THAT important, so do I...
I'm not putting Glock down, it's a good gun, I even own some....
I'll say this however, if the P99c was available when I bought my G26, I'd of bought the Walther.
The Walther is an improvement over the Glock as I predict time will tell...
I own(ed) several hand guns that do not have the second strike capabilities, I just wont buy another one for self defense that doesent...
OH25shooter
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I accidently dropped my P99 off my garage freezer top 35" onto the cement floor. It was in a gun rug. It put a small hole in the rug exactly where the rear sight was positioned. It's still in place. I do have to shoot it to see if it was knocked out of alignment.
Lone_Gunman
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Really. Either you are unlucky, or I am lucky, because I have never had a primer fail to ignite.
As for the military, they went for 50+ years with the 1911, which has no 2nd strike capability.
P99 is a wonderful gun. My biggest problem when I purchased mine was deciding whether to go with the 9mm or .40 and an AS or QA trigger. I have a hard time picking out socks so this was a bit of a dilema for me. I finally went with the .40 in an AS trigger and I have absolutely no regrets.
I tried to like the glocks ...
when I picked my first centerfire. Had this big plan to own a g22c with a bbl for competitions, etc. Just couldn't fall in love with the ergonomics. Was going to do a grip reduction. Would have been illegal in some competitions, so I passed altogether. Went with the BHP.
A year passes and I decide I need a plastic pistol. Tried them all, bought a p99. I've traded out on a free glock certificate (love to say ... "they couldn't even give me one" hehehe).
Now, looking back, I wonder if I had gone with glock originally, I'd most likely have adapted to it, and learned to shoot it well (to my capability).
IMO, you can't beat the reliability of the glock, you can only try to match it. My p99 has nary a hiccup, but doesn't have 8 kazillion rounds experience like the glock family.
I am a safety officer for action pistol matches, so I see a lot of folks shoot a lot of diff guns. Bout the only think I've seen choke a glock was a limp wrist. This IS bad, but isn't likely to most shooters, none if they are experienced and healthy. I see a lot of folks claim they are going to ditch thier pistols (many diff types) when they fail in competition and go back to their Glocks.
I'm a tiny bit paranoid, and I do like the decock feature of the walther. I love the mag release, I use my trigger finger which keeps my hand in place and finger off the trigger
Guess it all depends on what you want out of this pistol. Could it be an eventual replacement for the G19? I think you'll find the pistol is up to the task.
If it were me, and I wanted a cheap test, I'd buy a local used model. (there are some on the market from when guys find that the p99 does NOT make them look like Bond hehehehe).
Shoot your 19 as a test, and save the target and thoughts on it.
Use the p99 for 500 rounds or more. Then do the same test with the p99.
Compare the results, and your gut feel. Like the glock? sell off the p99 for ~purchase price. Like the p99? keep it or trade it for a new one. Keep the Glock too, I don't know too many folks who liked a glock that were ever happy about selling it.
when I picked my first centerfire. Had this big plan to own a g22c with a bbl for competitions, etc. Just couldn't fall in love with the ergonomics. Was going to do a grip reduction. Would have been illegal in some competitions, so I passed altogether. Went with the BHP.
A year passes and I decide I need a plastic pistol. Tried them all, bought a p99. I've traded out on a free glock certificate (love to say ... "they couldn't even give me one" hehehe).
Now, looking back, I wonder if I had gone with glock originally, I'd most likely have adapted to it, and learned to shoot it well (to my capability).
IMO, you can't beat the reliability of the glock, you can only try to match it. My p99 has nary a hiccup, but doesn't have 8 kazillion rounds experience like the glock family.
I am a safety officer for action pistol matches, so I see a lot of folks shoot a lot of diff guns. Bout the only think I've seen choke a glock was a limp wrist. This IS bad, but isn't likely to most shooters, none if they are experienced and healthy. I see a lot of folks claim they are going to ditch thier pistols (many diff types) when they fail in competition and go back to their Glocks.
I'm a tiny bit paranoid, and I do like the decock feature of the walther. I love the mag release, I use my trigger finger which keeps my hand in place and finger off the trigger
Guess it all depends on what you want out of this pistol. Could it be an eventual replacement for the G19? I think you'll find the pistol is up to the task.
If it were me, and I wanted a cheap test, I'd buy a local used model. (there are some on the market from when guys find that the p99 does NOT make them look like Bond hehehehe).
Shoot your 19 as a test, and save the target and thoughts on it.
Use the p99 for 500 rounds or more. Then do the same test with the p99.
Compare the results, and your gut feel. Like the glock? sell off the p99 for ~purchase price. Like the p99? keep it or trade it for a new one. Keep the Glock too, I don't know too many folks who liked a glock that were ever happy about selling it.
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