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I've been considering one of these... haven't seen one in person and don't know anyone that has one..

I already have the older Interarms German made ones in 32 and 380...

Haven't seen or read anything I'd consider credible on the current offering.

Anybody have one? ny experience with the 22?
 
Yeah. I had one. I traded it in for a Ruger Mark III. I never could trust that Walter to go bang when I shot it. I trust my Ruger to go bang.
 
Zamak construction made by Umarex with Walther name stamped on it. Super heavy (17.5 lbs) DA trigger pull. Looks kinda like your old models, but other than that, not so much.
 
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I guess I'm the oddball here. I have one and it's a fun gun. Zamak, yes, junk, no. It's a plinker and I don't care about the DA trigger pull as I don't use it. SA trigger is nice and better than my Ruger SR 22. Accuracy and dependability are about the same. Either shoots any HV ammo I load in them. Of course it isn't one of the old steel guns but it works and works well and it's affordable.
 
doubleh said:
I guess I'm the oddball here. I have one and it's a fun gun. Zamak, yes, junk, no. It's a plinker and I don't care about the DA trigger pull as I don't use it. SA trigger is nice and better than my Ruger SR 22. Accuracy and dependability are about the same. Either shoots any HV ammo I load in them. Of course it isn't one of the old steel guns but it works and works well and it's affordable.
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Junk is a relative term. If you like it, that’s what matters.

If you want something to plink with that sort of resembles a Walther PPK/S, than I guess it fits the bill. I think they’re a bit overpriced though. You can get some bonafide rimfires for that money, such as a Ruger Mark Series or Browning Buck Mark.
 
I'd been wanting a similar-type .22 for a while, and the Walther was on my radar. So was the Bersa Thunder. For my purposes, despite the construction of the PPK/S, either would have been fine.

The Bersa won out primarily because I stumbled into one for $175 at a local shop, complete with box, papers, key, rod, and even the original test-fired case. I also already had (have) the .380ACP version.

But I think I'd have enjoyed either. For a high-quality, all-steel .22 in this class, I already have an Interarms-sourced FEG AP22.
 
MedWheeler said:
I'd been wanting a similar-type .22 for a while, and the Walther was on my radar. So was the Bersa Thunder. For my purposes, despite the construction of the PPK/S, either would have been fine.

The Bersa won out primarily because I stumbled into one for $175 at a local shop, complete with box, papers, key, rod, and even the original test-fired case. I also already had (have) the .380ACP version.

But I think I'd have enjoyed either. For a high-quality, all-steel .22 in this class, I already have an Interarms-sourced FEG AP22.
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The Bersa is a much better option than the Umarex.

By the way, the FEG AP22 is not all steel. They have aluminum frames.
 
Had one about a year or so ago. Went bang all t he time with any load that went in the mag. Definitely shot as well as my all steel ones. Clarification - over on the walther blog site one of the gurus said they spoke with walther techs and guns are of an aluminum alloy definitely not zemak.
 
From Austin Powers on that other forum

"You don't have to worry about the gun wearing out from a few hundred rounds, much less cracking or any other such damage. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the assertions that the slide will crack with use is all just ad-hominem based off of outdated information in regards to the P22, which is a completely different pistol altogether, but unfortunately Walther USA's incompetence mislabeling the PPK/S .22 as being constructed of "zinc diecast" alloy has placed an undeserved stigma on this pistol.
I have long since contacted Walther Germany on the matter after discovering that Walther Arms USA had mislabeled the slide material of the PPQ .22 as "zinc diecast" when it is in fact an aluminum alloy, and it turns out that they mislabeled the PPK/S .22 as well. According to Walther Germany, the PPK/S .22 is constructed from some sort of "proprietary alloy" which is "much stronger than ZAMAK" and not even necessarily zinc-based at all because they made it sound as if it was an aluminum alloy, but I can't be sure because English obviously isn't their first language and it seems like they were using Google Translate to communicate with me. So yeah, whatever this mystery metal is, it's not ZAMAK like the P22. My guess is that the PPK/S .22 is in fact constructed from an aluminum alloy, just as the PPQ .22 and Walther/Colt 1911 .22s are, which were manufactured around the same time as the PPK/S .22 was when it first debuted.

Unfortunately, the damage has been done thanks to Walther Arms USA, so now it has been identified as "zinc diecast" (i.e. ZAMAK) for so long that everyone has long since written it off as a cheaply constructed replica which doesn't deserve to wear the Walther banner and will assuredly break from regular use.
Meanwhile, the PPK/S .22 has been on the market since 2013 and I've yet to see a single report of slide failure, despite there being folks who claim to have put tens of thousands of rounds thorough theirs, not to mention reports of PPK/S .22s surviving catastrophic case blowouts which have destroyed many a P22. So obviously they're not as flimsy as folks believe. "
 
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Had one about a year or so ago. Went bang all t he time with any load that went in the mag. Definitely shot as well as my all steel ones. Clarification - over on the walther blog site one of the gurus said they spoke with walther techs and guns are of an aluminum alloy definitely not zemak.
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There’s no way it’s aluminum, considering the weight of them.

Perhaps they should speak to an Umarex tech next time. The P22 is aluminum, not the PPK.
 
A thing I've never understood is the appeal of the PPK/s in this day

The PPK is a great carry size with both a shorter slide and frame (which also has the backstrap cut away). The PP, which was originally designed as a holster (duty) gun, has the longer frame which offered a better grip as well as a longer slide (slightly longer sight radius and better reliability), is a great shooter in .22lr.

The PPK/s combines the shorter slide and longer/thicker grip frame of the models, which just seem to move the wrong way.

(Yes, I understand the origin of the PPK/s to meet import standards)
 
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By the way, the FEG AP22 is not all steel. They have aluminum frames.
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The SMC-imported ones did. Not so with those brought in by Interarms. Mine is certainly steel. A magnet will be drawn to it.

The Bersa is a much better option than the Umarex.
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On that, I definitely agree.
 
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Every one I handled was aluminum, but that's good to hear. I prefer steel.
 
The only Walther guns I’ll purchase are Ulm factory walthers. Those Arnsberg factory (Umarex) “walthers” are very hit or miss, and are cheaply made.

All of my Ulm, Germany walthers have been great PPQ .40, PPQ .22, and PPS M2.

I’ve heard horror stories with the Arnsberg models: P22, PPK/S .22, CCP, PK380.

It really is as simple as only buy Ulm manufactured Walthers.
 
Zamak is the alloy used in Hi Points, Jennings, Raven, Bryce. Very easy to cast and cheap to purchase. Pretty much ready to go right out of the mold.
It does need to be coated as it is porous and “rusts” fast when exposed to air. Kind of like aluminum
That is why you see it chromed or coated black
Can’t be anodized.
 
JONWILL said:
Zamak is the alloy used in Hi Points, Jennings, Raven, Bryce. Very easy to cast and cheap to purchase. Pretty much ready to go right out of the mold.
It does need to be coated as it is porous and “rusts” fast when exposed to air. Kind of like aluminum
That is why you see it chromed or coated black
Can’t be anodized.
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Those GSG WW2 replicas make heavy use of zamak as well and I have seen them oxidize horribly anywhere there is a sharp edge or moving part. Ridiculous considering how expensive they are!
 
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Heaviest trigger pull I have ever experienced.... And I have pulled a lot of triggers over the last 45 years.

BOARHUNTER
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Yes,own one and was hoping to have it replace the Beretta 70S as a BUG.

But the DA trigger is terrible.

SA trigger is easy to shoot and accurate in my model
 
I don't know much about zinc alloy. If it is like any other material I ever heard of (like steel, plastic, aluminum alloy, and wood) there are a great many varieties of it, of which Zamak is just one (patented/trademarked) variety. Does anyone know where I could learn more about it (something a non-engineer layman might understand)?
 
Monac said:
I don't know much about zinc alloy. If it is like any other material I ever heard of (like steel, plastic, aluminum alloy, and wood) there are a great many varieties of it, of which Zamak is just one (patented/trademarked) variety. Does anyone know where I could learn more about it (something a non-engineer layman might understand)?
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Simply google "zamak" and you will find plenty of info, some of which is easily understood by almost anyone. There are several different varieties of zamak alloys.
 
Zamak 5 is what is normally used for pistol frames. I've a couple of pre Walther PPK/s TPH clones (Erma. Iver J, American arms) and while Zamak is used for the slide, there is a steel insert where needed
 
I think it is odd that Walther Arms USA wouldn't know what their own pistols are made of. My guess is that the pistol is made of a zinc alloy but it isn't Zamak. It is some slightly different blend so they can call it proprietary and dodge the poor opinion of Zamak. But it is basically the same low strength and durability with a different name.
 
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