Gary G23
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As far as decockers go I own a CZ-75BD and a CZ P-01. I think the P-01 is a near perfect carry gun.
Want to buy a CZ - questions
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I have a 75B & a P-01. Both of them are great pistols, both are very similar. As has been said many times in this thread, the P-01 is easier to conceal, and lighter on your hip. It's a wonderful piece and rides nicely in a Galco OWB under a light shirt or jacket.
On my 75B, the trigger has broken in a lot more nicely than on the P-01. I probably have > 500 rounds through the P-01, so my hopes aren't very high for it to work in as smoothly as the 75B has. But ... it might. I've had the 75B much longer, and it's had multiple thousands of rounds thorough it, both in 9mm, and in 22 with the Kadet kit.
Both guns are far, far more accurate than I am. That said, in the hands of a very competant shooter, possibly shooting from the bench, I'd say the 75B is a tot more accurate. If I had to get rid of one, it would probably be the P-01. But - I've a sentimental attachment to that pistol that may be (seriously) clouding my judgement. If that attachment weren't there, I'd probably have a lot more trouble deciding between the two.
I suppose if it were to be solely a range gun, I'd go with the 75B. If I were planning on carrying it concealed, or even in the open, the P-01 would get the nod thanks to the lighter weight and the smaller size. If I were doing it over, I'd probably get the PCR though - I've zero need for the rail.
And personally, I think they both look pretty cool:
Edit: To point out that both pistols have been stone cold reliable with anything I've 'fed' them.
On my 75B, the trigger has broken in a lot more nicely than on the P-01. I probably have > 500 rounds through the P-01, so my hopes aren't very high for it to work in as smoothly as the 75B has. But ... it might. I've had the 75B much longer, and it's had multiple thousands of rounds thorough it, both in 9mm, and in 22 with the Kadet kit.
Both guns are far, far more accurate than I am. That said, in the hands of a very competant shooter, possibly shooting from the bench, I'd say the 75B is a tot more accurate. If I had to get rid of one, it would probably be the P-01. But - I've a sentimental attachment to that pistol that may be (seriously) clouding my judgement. If that attachment weren't there, I'd probably have a lot more trouble deciding between the two.
I suppose if it were to be solely a range gun, I'd go with the 75B. If I were planning on carrying it concealed, or even in the open, the P-01 would get the nod thanks to the lighter weight and the smaller size. If I were doing it over, I'd probably get the PCR though - I've zero need for the rail.
And personally, I think they both look pretty cool:
75B
P-01
P-01
Edit: To point out that both pistols have been stone cold reliable with anything I've 'fed' them.
Seven High
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If it matters to you, full capacity magazines are a lot easier to find for the CZ 75BD than the P01 or PCR.
Thanks for all the great info.
I was able to find a local dealer with both the P-01, PCR and CZ75B in stock and got to compare them together.
I guess what impressed me most in firing the CZ75BD was that there was hardly any recoil, and the gun just hung on target. I've got no problem with recoil, but having this ability to surgically place rounds on target was impressive. I attribute it to the gun's great ergonomics and heft. For a concealment 9mm, I want to get as close to this ideal as possible, realizing that takes some work on my part while shooting.
The P-01 and PCR fit my hand like they were made for it. The CZ75B was no slouch in this category either but the newer models felt better.
For concealment the PCR was best, followed by the P-01 then the CZ75B.
Since this weapon will be carried, I was focusing on the P-01 and PCR. I liked the weight up front on the P-01 very much, although I have no use for a rail.
In the examples I held, I did notice the build quality on the P-01 being generally better than the PCR, but the PCR had a much better trigger. I did not have time to fieldstrip them and check out the internals.
The P-01 was going for $500 and the PCR for $479. How are these prices?
I wish they made the P-01 without the decocker and with the standard CZ manual safety system in 9mm.
I was able to find a local dealer with both the P-01, PCR and CZ75B in stock and got to compare them together.
I guess what impressed me most in firing the CZ75BD was that there was hardly any recoil, and the gun just hung on target. I've got no problem with recoil, but having this ability to surgically place rounds on target was impressive. I attribute it to the gun's great ergonomics and heft. For a concealment 9mm, I want to get as close to this ideal as possible, realizing that takes some work on my part while shooting.
The P-01 and PCR fit my hand like they were made for it. The CZ75B was no slouch in this category either but the newer models felt better.
For concealment the PCR was best, followed by the P-01 then the CZ75B.
Since this weapon will be carried, I was focusing on the P-01 and PCR. I liked the weight up front on the P-01 very much, although I have no use for a rail.
In the examples I held, I did notice the build quality on the P-01 being generally better than the PCR, but the PCR had a much better trigger. I did not have time to fieldstrip them and check out the internals.
The P-01 was going for $500 and the PCR for $479. How are these prices?
I wish they made the P-01 without the decocker and with the standard CZ manual safety system in 9mm.
armoredman
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Everyone here knows my fondness for CZ...
I got the PO1, and it replaced every pistol I had ever owned as the best side arm I have ever tried.
Now, I have the opportunity to try the PO1's stablemate, the venerable PCR.
As you can see, if it says CZ, I like it. They fit me like a glove...
And they work perfectly!
I got the PO1, and it replaced every pistol I had ever owned as the best side arm I have ever tried.
Now, I have the opportunity to try the PO1's stablemate, the venerable PCR.
As you can see, if it says CZ, I like it. They fit me like a glove...
And they work perfectly!
Cliff47
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Any of the CZ compact models (Compact, D Compact, PCR, PO-1) will serve you well. The RAMI is technically a sub-compact, and while I like the feel, it is not like its larger brothers. You might even consider the CZ75 SemiCompact, it's a full-size frame with the compact slide, and takes the 16-round magazines.
I got myself a CZ75B Stainless for Christmas, and even though it has a GREAT trigger, I can't bring myself to take it to the range. It's just too purty.
I got myself a CZ75B Stainless for Christmas, and even though it has a GREAT trigger, I can't bring myself to take it to the range. It's just too purty.
12 Volt Man
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Cool pics guys.
ezypikns
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I really like my CZ40P
300.00 + shipping from J&G Sales NIB. CZ40 upeer .40 cal. CZ P01 lower. Eats everything. Very accurate. Check it out. Recoil is nothing.
300.00 + shipping from J&G Sales NIB. CZ40 upeer .40 cal. CZ P01 lower. Eats everything. Very accurate. Check it out. Recoil is nothing.
Internals are the same for both guns. The better trigger you experienced on the PCR is likely just luck of the draw.
I think you could do better then that with a little shopping around.
I wish they did too. You could check out the CZ compact that has a manual safety but its a little heavier because of a all steel frame. My primary CCW weapon is the PCR and with a HBE IWB holster and it is no problem carrying this gun all day. With a good holster and belt the CZ75B is also ok to carry, which I do on occasion. Eric Lawson of HBE makes some great holsters for the CZ brand of pistols.
gudel
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finish
so what's the difference between the black polycoat and the glossy blue? is the black polycoat the one that looks like it's been painted on?
so what's the difference between the black polycoat and the glossy blue? is the black polycoat the one that looks like it's been painted on?
atblis
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The polycoat does look like black paint.
It is much much more durable than paint (more durable than blueing).
It is much much more durable than paint (more durable than blueing).
Lobotomy Boy
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I think the polycoat is the best-lookikng finish on CZs. I specifically chose it for mine.
atblis
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It doesn't look bad by any means
It is not paint though.
My only word of advice for buying handguns
If you want something to target shoot with, you absolutely need to get a fullsize steel framed gun (75B, SP01, or 75SA). The SP01 is an absolute joy to shoot.
It is not paint though.
My only word of advice for buying handguns
If you want something to target shoot with, you absolutely need to get a fullsize steel framed gun (75B, SP01, or 75SA). The SP01 is an absolute joy to shoot.
Jim101
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Quick question, are they easy to field strip and clean? I have seen them for sale at Academy Sports here in Texas, as I remember the prices were good..
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Like any fine service pistol should be, the CZs are easy to strip and clean. They are elegantly simple in their design and as rugged as any gun made in execution.
Selfdfenz
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They are CZasy to disassemble/clean and the machining on the internal surfaces is pretty smooth which helps.
I have one of the Turkish contract pistols [currently wearing a Kadet] and a PCR. The PCR is a little more accurate regardless of who is at the controls but they are both very accurate firearms. I'm not as good as they can be.
It's way cool being able to stick the 75 hi caps in the PCR and shows the folks at CZ have some smarts IMO. I don't claim any gunsmithing skills but I installed the Kadet myself and it's excellent. Just followed the directions.
If CZ ever makes a carbine that takes the 75 9 mm hi caps I'll have no choice but to buy one. or two.
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I have one of the Turkish contract pistols [currently wearing a Kadet] and a PCR. The PCR is a little more accurate regardless of who is at the controls but they are both very accurate firearms. I'm not as good as they can be.
It's way cool being able to stick the 75 hi caps in the PCR and shows the folks at CZ have some smarts IMO. I don't claim any gunsmithing skills but I installed the Kadet myself and it's excellent. Just followed the directions.
If CZ ever makes a carbine that takes the 75 9 mm hi caps I'll have no choice but to buy one. or two.
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BevrFevr
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+1 on the cz carbine idea
Man you are on to something there. That would be super cool.
Man you are on to something there. That would be super cool.
CZP01
I just purchased a CZP01, I will be picking it up next Thursday. I've had several .40's and .45's and this will be my first 9mm. The selling point for me after a massive amount of research was simply that the CZP01 is the most tested handgun currently known. It has past more rigerous testing than glock, HK, Beretta, you name it! Not to mention CZ guns are the most used handgun in the world! In any case I am very excited and think I will be shooting my 1911 allot less!
I just purchased a CZP01, I will be picking it up next Thursday. I've had several .40's and .45's and this will be my first 9mm. The selling point for me after a massive amount of research was simply that the CZP01 is the most tested handgun currently known. It has past more rigerous testing than glock, HK, Beretta, you name it! Not to mention CZ guns are the most used handgun in the world! In any case I am very excited and think I will be shooting my 1911 allot less!
Walt Sherrill
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I'm a big CZ fan. I'm also a moderator on the CZ Forum. I've tried to do a lot of reading and research on this topic.
CZ is not the most used handgun in the world. Not even close. You've been reading CZ's sale materials... They tell you "widely used," focusing on the number of small departments and agencies using the guns, but they don't talk about NUMBER OF GUNS in use. (The US military alone probably uses more Berettas than there are CZs in military and police units around the world.)
Check out the PISTOL FAQ area on the CZ Forum for who uses what. The list is a little stale, but you'll find that it is far from the "most used handgun."
Its a great gun, and I love'm, but let's be real.
CZ is not the most used handgun in the world. Not even close. You've been reading CZ's sale materials... They tell you "widely used," focusing on the number of small departments and agencies using the guns, but they don't talk about NUMBER OF GUNS in use. (The US military alone probably uses more Berettas than there are CZs in military and police units around the world.)
Check out the PISTOL FAQ area on the CZ Forum for who uses what. The list is a little stale, but you'll find that it is far from the "most used handgun."
Its a great gun, and I love'm, but let's be real.
armoredman
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Just found out the uniformed diplomatic corps in Germany was just issued PO1s. Interesting.
schmeky
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The only thing I can add to what has already been discussed is the confidence the CZ (75) has instilled in me. There is no doubt it will shoot EXACTLY where I aim it. Mine has never thrown a flyer on a paper target, ever!
Accuracy of the CZ autos is just crazy.
Accuracy of the CZ autos is just crazy.
It's good to see this thread still going...
A question for Walt, I've tried looking for the NATO testing criteria and information about the trials the P01 went through and came up with nothing on the net. Could you point me in the right direction to find out more about this?
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A question for Walt, I've tried looking for the NATO testing criteria and information about the trials the P01 went through and came up with nothing on the net. Could you point me in the right direction to find out more about this?
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HorseSoldier
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Much as I like CZs in general and the P-01 in particular, I think the whole NATO approved/NSN number angle is more a marketing issue than anything else. I'm pretty certain having a NATO NSN for the P-01 simply puts it into the same category as the Berettas, Browning High Powers, Glock 17s, etc., that other NATO nations use for sidearms. There may have been some testing to destruction and such, but it can't have been that rigorous, since the Beretta M9 passed it
skers69
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I picked up a pcr a couple of weeks ago and love the gun. It will be my ccw gun once I get my permit to carry. I have only had problems with 3 ftf on hrydra shock and one ftf on ranger ammo out of nearly 1500 rounds. The trigger has come in real nice.
The only changes I am making is getting some night sights and maybe replacing the spring and guide rod. The grips are perfect so no changes needed there. Now I just need to figure out how I am going to rig it up for carry.
I have a sig p226 9mm and the pcr. If you were to make me choose between the two I would pick the pcr. I am cz CraZy now.
The only changes I am making is getting some night sights and maybe replacing the spring and guide rod. The grips are perfect so no changes needed there. Now I just need to figure out how I am going to rig it up for carry.
I have a sig p226 9mm and the pcr. If you were to make me choose between the two I would pick the pcr. I am cz CraZy now.
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