Want to buy a CZ - questions

[Paladin7]

I’m at the range the other day and meet some very nice folks shooting a CZ 75 BD. I handled and shot a pre-B over 20 years ago when they were still very much a Comblock only proposition. The guy asks me if I want to try it; can’t resist. I loaded it with a few rounds of 115 gr FMJ 9mm and de-cocked it. All shots rapid fire at 25 yards with the DA/SA transition, all shots high right into ½ inch. I’m an accomplished pistol shot but that is amazing accuracy for a pistol I have never shot before.

This weapon has many of the qualities I’ve been seeking for a long time; fits my hand beautifully, accurate in the extreme, very easy to manage recoil, svelte, like the Kadet option, like the c&l carry option on the non-decocker models. There are things I don’t like, but the pros seem to outweigh the cons.

Question is, which one to get? I’ve narrowed my choices to these: CZ75B Stainless, CZ75B Compact or P-01/PCR?

This weapon will be used for the range, hd, plinking and occasional carry. I want the kind of accuracy I found with the CZ 75 BD in as concealable a package as possible. I realize the tradeoffs. I will only consider one decocker model, either the new P-01 or PCR. Finding a gun shop with all of these models in my area will be difficult, hence my questions.

For those who have shot them, how does the balance compare between the P-01 vs PCR vs 75B vs 75B Compact?

For those who have shot them, what sort of accuracy should I expect from the new P-01/PCR vs 75B or 75B Compact?

For those who carry them, how do they compare assuming proper leather/belt combo?

I think you CZ Fans are really on to something…

 

[david_the_greek]

I have shot only two cz's, one a range rental and just the standard 75 and the other a PCR. Not having shot them side by side it is hard to compare the two but I must say I love my PCR and it works beautifully. It is a gorgeous gun and it is easy enough to carry if done right. 14 +1 is nice and its light enough. I whole heartedly suggest the PCR.

 

[TrafficMan]

well, i love my 75BD and that's all i can really add, because i haven't shot any other CZ products. i've probably got over 1000 rounds thru mine at this point....NO malfunctions with a multitude of ammo. and as you mentioned, it's a tack driver for a pistol.

 

[Monkeybear]

I would go for the CZ compact if you have a sensitive trigger finger, but that just based off what I have heard. I have handled the RAMI and PCR and not noticed but alot of people seem to think the triggers are gritty. Since those models are made of aluminium they dont really smooth out like a steel CZ dose. This is all just stuff I read off this board though, may not be true.

My CZ 75 BD had a gritty trigger out of the box but smoothed out nicely with less than a thousand pulls.

 

[bobb_topgun]

You may want to post this topic on the CZForum site:
http://p201.ezboard.com/bczechpistols82792

There is a lot of CZ knowledge there.

Since you're still considering your CZ options, I'd suggest posting in under the GENERAL FIREARMS- DISCUSSION category on the forum.

Or, you could post under the CZ75B CLUB category.

Either way I believe you'll get a great deal of response from CZ knowledgeable folks.

While at the CZForum, you may want to just spend a little surfing around the forum. I believe you'll find the time well spent.

Good luck in your CZ selection process.

 

[panzermk2]

Do what I did BUY them all and then start on EAA Witness lisc. copies
this is just some of them

 

[robctwo]

I have the BD and the P-01. P-01 has a shorter sight radius and is lighter. I shoot it about as well. I don't carry concealed much, and when i do it's often in a fanny pack. No real experience with extended holster carry. P-01 goes with me in the car every where. I put some Hakans on it for that special look.

 

[rellascout]

Own a P01. It is the same gun as the PCR but the P01 has a rail. There is really no difference between the two. If you like rails go for the P01 if not get the PCR. These both feature a docker and no safety.

The 75B and the 75B compact are both DA/SA guns that can also be carried cocked and locked. There is no decocker so if you want to carry DA/SA you have to manually decock the gun.

The grip on the 75B compact is the same as the PCR and P01. It is heavier than the two alum counter parts. If you go this route I would look for one in glossy blue.

The 75B is going to be the most accurate of the group. The others are all more accurate than I am but the 75B is dead on. It is one the most accurate guns I own. It is heavy but that come with the territory with a fullsized steel gun.

If you are mainly going to use this as a carry gun then look at the PCR/P01 or Compact depending on what condition that you prefer to carry in. Some consider the compact to be too heavy for carry but I do not think it is.

One more thing the triggers on the 75B are nicer IMHO. Something about the decocker makes the CZ trigger different. Not necessary better just different.

If you aren't going to carry much then I would choose the larger 75B. A full size gun is always harder to conceal. Take a look at high noon holsters and HBE for carry leather.

 

[panzermk2]

Out of all of them besides the EAA 10mm compact,
I really like the CZ40. It is full size but the frame is alloy. The grips and a Hume belt slide holster came with it and I realy like the Holster. Its leather and even though I am more of a Fobus tupperware kinda guy I use it all the time

 

[Pilot]

I've had a 75B and PCR for several years now. The PCR is just as accurate as the 75B for me. If you're goig to carry it, get the PCR. While lighter and more compact, it is still and excellent range gun and like I said, quite accurate. Both triggers have become superb, and the PCR's is a bit lighter than the 75B. I don't see the advantage of a light rail on a carry gun, so I never bought a P-01. I really think its just a fad.

 

[simon691]

I think the CZPO1 is one of the best looking gun out there right now. Not just looks but it shoots very accurate too. I know that you can not find a PO1 under $400 used or new. The PO1 holds it's value very well. Here's a pics of mine:

CZ PO1 9mm

 

[Paladin7]

Thank you very much for your responses, it appears there are many of you that are in the know on the CZ and I appreciate the food for thought. I will try to search far and wide to get my hands on the 75B, Compact and P-01/PCR. I'm glad to hear the favorable comments on the PCR.

I will also post on the CZ Forum and appreciate the direction. I have been searching that forum for a while now.

Simon, I love the gun porn and agree with you about the P-01 being one of the best looking autos around.

Thanks.

 

[jayhway]

Question for the CZ 75 Compact owners. Is the LOP in DA the same for the Compact as the 75B?? Reason I ask is because on the 75B the DA LOP is too long for my fingers. I came extremely close to purchasing a 75B, but the trigger was too long for me.

 

[Pilot]

Is the LOP in DA the same for the Compact as the 75B??

Same, same. But if you get the all steel compact version (Not PCR or P-01) you can carry it cocked and locked and not worry about the trigger reach.

 

[Walt Sherrill]

Not the same LOP.

The P-01 has a more-curved trigger (which can be added to the other CZs) that shortens the trigger pull slightly. The earlier poster is correct in a sense, as internally, the CZs are all pretty much the same. The trigger shape itself is the only real difference.

But not everybody likes the "recurved" trigger.

After the first shot, its not all that relevant, anyway -- and the P-01 starts from the half-cock notch, which shortens the trigger pull a bit more, and lightens it, too. (All of the CZ decocker models decock to half-cock and that is the normal starting position.)

 

[mfree]

I'm pretty sure that the twist rate in CZ barrels is optimized for 124gr projectiles.

YMMV.

 

[PCRCCW]

Ya....what they said. I like the recurve trigger better, but thats just my fingers..........
Look at the PCR......I dont think there is a better gun......period.
Shoot well.

 

[Mortech]

I can't really add much to whats been posted but when you do descide on what CZ to get , drop www.czshooters.com and join the rest of us CZ fanatics .

 

[kart racer]

Get the pcr,you won't be disappointed.I did-now I want more cz's and eaa compact 45.

 

[Pilot]

Not the same LOP.

Walt. Isn't the LOP the same on the 75B as the steel compact guns (not talking about the P-01)? I thought the only difference between the 75B and what CZ calls the "Compacts" are slide and grip length.

 

[Jiml3]

I love my PCR. The light rail on the P01 is not something I would use. If you intend to use for carry, finding a good holster that will also accomodate the light will not be easy.

 

[Walt Sherrill]

Re: LOP on full-size and compact CZs.

There are differences, but due solely to a different trigger shape.

The trigger, by being curved pretty dramatically, on the PCR (which is a "compact"), and the P-01, actually puts the trigger closer on those guns (and on the other newer models which use the same trigger.) The difference is small, but pretty noticeable if you're "finger" challenged.

The internals on the guns are identical -- whether full size or compact. And the "recurved" trigger can be installed in any of them, including the CZ-97B.

 

[Lobotomy Boy]

Don't buy the Kadet kit. You'll get bored with punching out the ten ring at 25 yards all day long.

 

[huaco]

I bought my PCR at a gunshow where I was able to hold it and a P-01. I liked the balance and looks of the PCR better. The fact that it costs quite a bit less didn't hurt either. It's more accurate than I'll ever be and so far 100% reliable. I've never thought of myself as "fanatic" about a gun but the PCR changed that. It just feels right in my hand and points like an extension of my arm.

What Lobotomy Boy said about the Kadet Kit!

 

[modifiedbrowning]

I have a P01 and it is a great pistol. I was surprised at how accurate it is(for me anyway). I would have no hesitation in buying another CZ.