Want ya'll opinion on a internet auction problem I "may" have

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From this last e-mail he sent it sounds like he's threatening me. I think I smell "fraud" from his direction
more than mine. I am almost positive he was going to scam me and probably send me a crap of a gun if I would have been naive enough to go through with it. At now point did he ever really disclose the condition of the gun through pics or text.



So what do ya'll think about this last e-mail I recieved from him:









>We are not at an impasse. You are so full of crap I can't believe it. You
>posted an ad stating EXACTLY what you were willing to trade for and YOU are
>now trying to back out of the deal. There is no mistaking what your ad says.
>You WILL receive negative feedback if you fail to complete the trade as
>described in your ad. Gunbroker rules say nothing about trade as payment
>which you posted. Bidding is a requirement to buy and I am "paying" with a
>trade as you have stated you were willing to do in your ad. If you think I'm
>wrong ask a contract law lawyer. If you say you will take a trade in an ad
>then you better be willing to back that up. You see, no one else thought
>your gun was worth the price you listed it for or else they would have bid.
>I pay for my auctions that I win and I am "paying" per your ad with a trade.
>You should stand behind your ad and complete the deal. Backing out of this
>deal will be reported to gunbroker and I will consider it to be an act of
>fraud.
 
Seems simple...

you set out the guidelines

did he meet them???

looks like after the fact you wanted to throw in some extra stipulations and guidelines

instead of trying to "figure things out" look at the original ad. If he met the guidelines, it's "done deal". If not it's "no deal"

Mebbe you're trying to cover yourself too much. If you don't want to trade, why did you say so up front???

My dad was a farmer. When I grew up, a man's word was gold. I saw deals that involved multi-thousands of dollars on a word and handshake. No papers, no contracts, no laywers.

Just sold a house about 6 months ago. Coulda saved three thousand dollars by going around the original realtor and using a different one. Wouldn't do it. My integrity is worth a lot more than three thousand to me.

Does it make me a hero??? No, just someone I can be comfortable with when I go to sleep at night.

For God's sake, what's the worst that will happen??? You get a gun that's worth a little less that you thought??? Then he's the cheat, not you.
 
I think he would have scammed you. Tell him to shove it where the sun don't shine and be done with it. Even if he was offering a decent gun in trade, he whines too much.
 
This guy just wants to keep escalating it:



>What's to agree to? You clearly stated in your ad what you would trade for.
>If you didn't intend to do a trade then don't post it in your ads. I will be
>filing a internet fraud complaint against you for false advertising in
>addition to reporting you to GB. You will probably be removed from their
>service.
 
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Full of hot air

For all this guys talk, I think he's just trying to bully you into accepting his crappy trade. From his negative feedback, my guess would be that this isn't the first time he's tried to screw someone over.

I'd just refuse to sell with him, eat the cost, and leave him no feedback (unless of course he leaves you negative feedback). He can talk about fraud all he wants, when he clicked on "Bid" with a monetary amount, he agreed to pay in US dollars. Since he is not sticking up to his end, you don't have to stick up to yours.

I believe it's your right to refuse to sell to him anyway, regardless. If he had 300 negative feedbacks, would you want to sell to him. I'd just cite his crappy record as reason why you won't deal with him.

My 2 cents, worth all you paid for them.
-Pytron
 
Sounds like he really wants your gun bad. You could go to www.fraud.org and file a complaint against him for not paying. Just forget about it like others have said. Or save all his emails and send them to the auction site asking them to look into harrasment. Maybe he will get kicked off. I just dont think I would let him bully me. I understood your auction. Someone bids a dollar amount that is what I would expect to be paid. He should know better and I think he does.
 
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Well, you did make it sound like you were threatening him when you mentioned negative feedback to begin with. I would void this transaction IMMEDIATELY and not leave any feedback on him if he didn't do the same on me. If he does, then I'd reciprocate in kind.

E-mail accounts and new IDs at GB, AA aren't too hard to do - I had to do this once when a guy didn't think I was the right kind of person to buy his gun, since I wanted to shoot it rather than hang it on the wall and he blocked me from bidding after I inquired about bore condition, etc. :rolleyes: Therefore, you can write this account off, if need be, since it doesn't sound like you have a reputation built up.

Stop responding to him and just let it happen as it will. Your issue is with GB now.
 
catharsis,

The guy's a complete idiot. He's trying to defraud people on gunbroker. There's a ton of idiots like him on there. If you don't leave negative feedback on this douchebag I'll be disapointed with you! That's how they keep their behavior up....because of gunbroker's screwed up feedback system. Seems they only disable the accounts of the worst offenders. Like people that have 10 F's and 1 A.

The idiots with half negative feedback are bidding and selling away.
 
Current Bid $450.00 No Reserve! Started at $450.00

Quantity 1 # of bids 1 Bid History

Time left Auction has ended

15 minute rule

Winning Bidder ******* A(91)



Oh and here's his feedbak:

Feedback Summary
Negative Feedback
(Low score is better)


Past 30 days: 1 out of 8 (12%)
Past 60 days: 4 out of 17 (24%)
Past 90 days: 6 out of 31 (19%)
Past 120 days: 10 out of 53 (19%)


Total Feedbacks: 91
Positive Feedbacks: 78
Neutral Feedbacks: 0
Negative Feedbacks:13
------------------------------------
Positive feedback 86%



"F: My wife says the $50 I refunded was blackmail to "take no further action or leave no negative feedback". We disagreed on the gun's condition. I'll never do business with this person again."



"F: This is the second item he bought from me using buy now on 10/22. As of 11/5 still no payment. Many excused but no money. Seem to be a pattern."


"F: Auction ended on 10/22/03, still no payment as of 11/05/03. Many excuses then I checked his feedback. Seems to be an on going problem"

"F: Non paying bidder, problem from the start. Used buy now then wanted a discount when I refused he "lost" his payment in the mail. Avoid this bidder."


"F: Beware of this bidder as you can see from his feedback he has lots of problems.Look at picture of auction trigger not broke!"


"F:Took 4 emails for response and 8 days to mail ck. Ck'ed his poor feedback and didn't want to deal with this BUM & retn ck. Deserves this F along with all his others. Gun sold to 2nd bidder"


"F: Pressured me into changing terms of sale on item he bought from me on another site. I refused, said I would NEVER do business with him again on ANYTHING! Recomend he be banned from GunBroker"


"F: Seller never completed auction sale, said that gun had sold locally and was not his fault. You are there, who should take responsibility? Me? He said he will post poor feedback on me in retaliation"


"F: BUYER IS THREATNING, CANNOT READ DESCRIPTION, VERY UNREASONABLE AND CHILDISH"


"F: He advertised the gun wrong. I had to drive 460 miles to appear in court to defend myself. And then he wanted to sell me another gun, so unstable an individual."











Here you go Mike: as it is written:

"willing to trade" in my opinion does not mean "will trade" for one of those guns no matter the condition.




This is a blued, slightly customized Series 70 Colt Combat Commander. I am not the original owner. There is slight cosmetic damage on the Right Hand side of the slide.

This Colt has an 80 prefix serial number and is guessed to be manufactured in the late 70's early 80's. The 80's prefix does not mean it ever was a series 80 gun. It never did have the firing pin safety and does NOT have the series 80 firing pin safety system.

Custom parts include: Black Micarta "thin grips" with silver Colt medallion inserts. King's extended slide stop, custom thumb safety, Ed Brown match extractor, and Micro ajustable rear sight. Both the Chip McCormick "long" trigger and original Colt "short" trigger will be included as will the original 7 round Colt magazine. Note: the Colt magazine does not function well and probably needs a new mag. spring. With the 200 - 300 factory FMJ rounds I personally put in the pistol, I used my Wilson Combat 7 round mags without a hiccup.

Buyer will pay shipping and provide signed copy of FFL information. I request payment be made by money order or other certified funds. Please no personal checks. ****willing to trade for one of the following 1)Glock 30 or 19 2)HK USP compact 9,40,45 3)Browning/FN HighPower 9mm 4)CZ 75 Single or Double action 5)Sig 220 or 239 6)Berreta 92FS or Vertec
 
Looking at the feedback, the guy's an idiot.

Anyone with less than 95% A+'s = idiot in my opinion and I don't bid on their auctions. Sure, stuff happens, but if someone is enough of an ??? to get several people leaving bad feedback on them then they have no business being on gunbroker.
 
I think this says it all.

"F: BUYER IS THREATNING, CANNOT READ DESCRIPTION, VERY UNREASONABLE AND CHILDISH"
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I think you should leave feedback mentioning that you had the exact same experience with him as this guy did.

And with gunbroker's screwed up feedback system, he's got all those F's and still has an "A" :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
catharsis - Why all the secrecy and blanked out names? It was a public auction.

http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=14239730


Note this caveat from the operators of GunBroker:
Bids are not to be placed lightly - you must make sure that you have resolved any questions or issues with the seller before your bid is placed.
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The bidder did not resolve the issue of whether or not his trade would be acceptable. No right thinking person would reasonably expect you to accept a trade blindly. You should make a preemptive strike and send a message to the GB staff explaining that you cannot complete the deal and give the reasons.
 
OMG that guy's a diptwat.

He's bid on stuff of mine before. I looked at his feedback and was glad he wasn't the high bidder when all was done.
 
Hey Mal, just trying to be civil and not cause an even bigger fuss. I figured no need to post names.
 
Asper GB rules and regs:




1. Bidding. Placing a bid on an item is an irrevocable offer to buy the item(s) at the price in the bid, provided the bid is a winning bid at the time of the close of the auction. A winning bid is a bid that is the highest bid on an item, or in the event of a tie, the bid placed chronologically earliest. In the case of a reserve price auction a bid is only a winning bid if it meets or exceeds the reserve price on the item. In the case of a Dutch auction there may be more than one winning bid depending on the quantity of items available and the number of bids placed.
Placing a bid constitutes entering into a binding legal agreement with the seller to purchase the item(s) at the winning bid price and in accordance with the terms stated in the item listing and the rules of this site. You must resolve any questions about the item by contacting the seller of the item prior to placing a bid. Do not place a bid until you are sure that you understand what you are bidding on and, if necessary, have received a response from the seller of the item regarding any questions you may have.

Once a bid is placed it may not be cancelled or retracted without the permission of the seller. The seller is not obligated to grant permission to retract or cancel a bid, and it is not the duty of this auction site to request permission from the seller for a bid retraction or cancellation. Any bid cancellation must be worked out between buyer and seller without assistance from the auction site.








5. 'Side Deals' / Non-Winning Bidders. Any transaction made between a non-winning bidder and a seller is a 'side deal' and is outside the scope of this auction site and its rules. Our Privacy Policy prohibits us from providing contact information for users involved in a 'side deal'. Buyers and sellers involved in a 'side deal' cannot post feedback and cannot use the auction site's problem resolution tools. Our Fraud Insurance does not cover 'side deals'. We provide absolutely no assistance of any kind for buyers and sellers involved in a 'side deal' in any way in the event of problems.
 
Okay catharsis, while I think trying to trade is a bad idea in an auction, it sounds as though you have a real loser there, so leave all the negative feedback you want. However, I'd only do so if he did the same to me, since it is a 2-way street.
 
I agree with bill. I'd void the auction and not post any feedback unless he does first. If he does, give him negative feedback and try to get in contact with the gunbroker people to have the issue resolved (they can remove negative feedback if it's bs right?)
 
nico, they aren't going to edit anyone's feedback unless it contains profanity or personal info according to the rules.

He's probably had more than twice as many people not leave bad feedback over dealings with him over fear of retaliation. It seems like in transactions I watch, feedback is rarely left by anyone. A month after an auction has ended and nobody gave anybody feedback. Maybe one in 5 deals. This type of guy is the reason why auction sites get a bad rep.

I used to never have people fail to give me feedback, but recently I've had to remind almost every person I've dealt with to do so and sometimes then they don't either.
 
catharsis
I spend quite a bit of time searching the auction sites. I also sell guns to upgrade my collection from time to time.

A couple of weeks ago I was just clicking around and saw bnormal2's feedback. I immediately put him on my blocked bidders list. I would not want this guy bidding on anything I was auctioning. It's obvious this guy is a first class A-Hole. You'd have to have rocks in your head to proceed to deal with this goof.

So what if he leaves you a negative. Consider the source.

Randy
 
It would be nice if you could, as a blanket action, block any potential bidders who have a feedback satisfaction rating of under X percent, with you choosing the number.
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I'm going to send Gunbroker support an email suggesting they add that very feature.

You know what, I actually don't have anyone on my blocked bidders list, but I think it's time to start doing that. I forgot all about that feature.
 
Wondernine---

Problem with automatically blocking bidders with X% is that you never know if someone like bnormal is bringing the percentage down. I noticed that alot of the guys that had perfect score all of the sudden dropped into the low 90's once they recieved an "F" from bnormal.

For instance, me, I would have a failing grade of 50% if bnormal sends me negative feedback. I had one good sale and one go bad. It's not "completely" fair to judge based on percentage. I like the idea of looking at feedback, then comparing it on the overall record of the bidder/buyer, and then even going as far as checking out the feedback on the guys who gave bad feedback like what we did above.


No method is failproof and even the best buyers/sellers can have auctions go bad for whatever reason. I do believe that "overall" checking out and researching the people you deal with is the most fair way.

I did not take that advice and I also was not careful enough to anticipate people like bnormal. I will indeed not stray from the rules next time, or at the very least, choose my words better to not let even the biggest scammer be able to twist them to his "supposed" advantage.
 
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