Was Clinton More Conservative Than Bush?

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Was Clinton More Conservative Than Bush?

Thursday, July 25, 2002

By Veronique de Rugy



President Bush may be repeating the sins of his father. Although elected on a Reaganesque, tax-cutting platform, the White House has veered to the left.

President Bush has signed a bill to regulate political speech, issued protectionist taxes on imported steel and lumber, backed big-spending education and farm bills, and endorsed massive new entitlements for mental health care and prescription drugs. When the numbers are added up, in fact, it looks like President Bush is less conservative than President Clinton.

It makes little sense to discourage one's core supporters prior to a mid-term election. Yet that is the result when a Republican president expands government, which Bush is doing. Also, academic research on voting patterns shows that a president is most likely to get re-elected if voters are enjoying an increase in disposable income. Yet making government bigger is not a recipe for economic growth. After all, there is a reason why Hong Kong grows so fast and France is an economic basket case. But you can't tell that to the Bush administration.

Administration officials privately admit that much of the legislation moving through Congress represents bad public policy. Yet they argue either that everything must take a back seat to the war on terror (much as the first Bush administration treated the war against Iraq) or that compromises are necessary to neutralize issues such as education. But motives and rationalizations do not repeal the laws of economics.

In less than two years, President Bush has presided over more government expansion than took place during eight years of Bill Clinton. For instance:

— The education bill expands federal involvement in education. The administration originally argued that the new spending was a necessary price to get vouchers and other reforms. Yet the final bill boosted spending and was stripped of almost all reform initiatives. And there is every reason to believe that this new spending will be counter-productive, like most other federal money spent on education in the past 40 years. Children and taxpayers are the big losers.

— The farm bill is best characterized as a bipartisan orgy of special interest politics. Making a mockery of the Freedom to Farm Act, the new legislation boosts farm spending to record levels. Old subsidies have been increased and new subsidies created. Perhaps worst of all, the administration no longer has the moral credibility to pressure the European Union to reform its socialized agricultural policies. Taxpayers and consumers are the big losers.

— The protectionist decisions on steel and lumber imports make free traders wish Bill Clinton were still president. These restrictions on world commerce have undermined the productivity of U.S. manufacturers by boosting input prices and creating massive ill will in the international community. American products already have been targeted for reciprocal treatment. Consumers and manufacturers are the big losers.

— The campaign finance law is an effort to protect the interests of incumbent politicians by limiting free speech rights during elections. The administration openly acknowledged that the legislation is unconstitutional, yet was unwilling to make a principled argument for the Bill of Rights and fair elections. Voters and the Constitution are the big losers.

— New health care entitlements are akin to throwing gasoline on a fire. Medicare and Medicaid already are consuming enormous resources, and the burden of these programs will become even larger when the baby boom generation retires. Adding a new prescription drug benefit will probably boost spending by $1 trillion over 10 years. A mandate for mental health coverage will drive up medical costs, making insurance too expensive for many more families.

Those policy decisions make government bigger and more expensive. They also slow the economy and hurt financial markets — read the headlines lately? For all his flaws, President Clinton's major policy mistake was the 1993 tax increase. Other changes, such as the welfare reform bill, NAFTA, GATT, farm deregulation, telecommunications deregulation and financial services deregulation, moved policy in a market-oriented direction.

Perhaps most importantly, there was a substantial reduction in federal spending as a share of gross domestic product during the Clinton years. Using the growth of domestic spending as a benchmark, Clinton was the second most conservative president of the post-World War II era, trailing only Ronald Reagan.

To be sure, much of the credit for Clinton's good policy probably belongs to the Republican Congress, but that is not an excuse for bad policy today. And on one positive note, President Bush has "promised" to fight for partial privatization of Social Security. Yet, so far, President Bush has not vetoed a single piece of legislation. Needless to say, this means it will be rather difficult to blame "big-spending" Democrats if the economy continues to sputter.

Veronique de Rugy is a fiscal policy analyst at the Cato Institute.

Whattdya guys think? I'd hate to agree w/ her b/c i geniunely like GW, but some of the facts here are incontroverable. The real problem is that the alternative is a hellova lot worse, and the libertarian party has a snowballs chance in hell of winning.
 
Keeping it brief and refusing to get caught up in the author's brand of thinking, let me ask you a question. Why do you say some of her facts about the President are right on the money, but you don't question any of her facts about B. Clinton? Have you bought into her way of thinking? Okay, that's 2 questions.

Regarding the author's statement: "President Bush has presided over more government expansion than took place during eight years of Bill Clinton." Clinton was president then and this is now and the world is different. Plenty of room for disagreement and I disagree with her perceived assumption that the Clinton administration was the high point of anything.

John
 
Yes, I believe he is more liberal, or at least as liberal, as Bill Clinton.

I support what has been done overseas to fight the never ending war on terror, but thats where my support for him ends.

He spends our money like a drunken sailor.

He plays chicken with the Bill of Rights.
 
Absent a war on islamofascist terrormongers Dubya would have been the weakest president in my life time if not the 20th century. The guy had no agenda other than gain power.

Along comes a trial he can not duck and it serves to jamb a steel rod up his spine. Trouble is it doesn't serve the same purpose domestically.

Civilization occasionally fall due to external attack. Most fall due to internal decay. The horse-pucky Dubya had done domestically qualifies as USDA prime grade horse-pucky. . . .the kind of nonsense that will damage the republic. Campaign Finance Control was a craven act by all of DC. Dubya signing it was an outrage.

To say dubya is spending like a drunken sailor is to denegrate drunken sailors. At least they spend their own money and there is an end to it.

The political class has no such limitations.
 
Clinton.....

Clinton was a political animal. Every decision he made was based on the result of polls taken beforehand (excluding Monica, of course). Every effort he made was to increase his political status. North Korea, China, Iraq, Gays, Abortion, Civil Rights, WTC bombing, bin Laden, military, CIA, Israel, Arafat, etc. were all decided for popularity, power or money. Nothing else mattered.
 
Yes, HKmp5sd, but Bush is also a political animal, just less so. He came to DC with a promise to end partisanship, and he's given the Dem's just about everything they want. The problem is, they still don't like him. This is one part of his political personality that I don't understand.

The war in Afghanistan and Iraq were definitely not political moves, but rather huge politicial risks. Especially Iraq.

I do believe, though, that there are going to be many conservatives staying home next November 2nd.
 
I'm with Lone_Gunman, I like the fact that he has actually done something big to fight back after 9/11. I think Gore would not have sent the message that needed to be sent.

Other than that, I can't think of anything else I've liked that he has done. Alot of laws that have been passed through here in the name of preventing terrorism have been horrible. At least he hasn't passed any new gun laws (as far as I know).
 
Neither one is remotely conservative. The only difference is the flavor of their "Candyman" approach to politics and economics.

Reagan destroyed Russia by outspending them. It appears that Bush's aim is to destroy the Democratic Party by following the same approach.
 
Well Bush is conservative enough to choose great candidates as judges. Hopefully he will get a 2nd term and get them in. I dont like all of his domestic agenda. Some seems to be bad miscalculations regarding the good will of liberals like kennedy, mainstream media etc. and how the supreme court would rule. Having said that I will vote for him because I believe no one else out there will do what he has done in foreign policy and because I hope he will get his judges in and that will have a long lasting positive effect on this republic. IMHO

Mark
 
Clinton regularly talked centrist, but acted just the opposite as to deliberate expansion of governmental powers. "The era of Big Government is over," he said, and then immediately went on to expand programs and staffing for them.

Bush inherited a miserable economic situation, with the collapse of the dot-com stock-market bubble. Clinton/Greenspan had already lowered interest rates below all belief, leaving Dubya with nothing but minimal tax cuts and jawbone for a "ride to the rescue" effort. So far, sorta good, but I'm still pessimistic.

9/11 pretty much took many options away from Dubya, both domestically and foreign. Seems to me that domestically, we're in the ususal "muddlin' through" mode of the past 30-some years. Foreign, there are lots of positives, but only if you look beyond the next election--I tend toward a ten-year chess-game view, myself, and so far Condy Rice is looking good.

Art
 
I can't think of very many issues where George W. Bush differs substantially from Joe Lieberman. The partial birth abortion ban, a few constructionist judicial nominees, and Aschroft's support for an individual right interpertation of the 2nd Amendment are the only ones that fall readily to mind.

Both support renewal of the AWB, both supported the War on Iraq, the Patriot Act, Campaign Finance Reform, increases in Medicare entitlements, etc.,
 
Well Bush is conservative enough to choose great candidates as judges.
That's the conservative press. I can't verity anything the conservative press has said about the various candidates. I see Democrats in pre-stroke mode which is a good thing if it isn't political theatre. Bush just like clinton and Bush's daddy make nominations for judicial appointments they hang them out there and do nothing to support them. No wonder Estrada pulled up stakes.

Speaking of Estrada; does anyone know anything about the guy other than he was latino nominated but not supported by Bush. Any evidence out there that he was a good judge? Any evidence out there he would help reverse the nonsense of the current court?

I see no reason to expect Bush to do anything noble with respect to the courts. He has consistently displayed a lack of moral compass regarding domestic issues. What makes anyone think he will suddenly develop a moral spine and hire only those who will reverse our current court direction?

I am inclined to believe nothing positive about Bush and his nominees. Fact of the matter is I'm in somewhat of a dilemna. Bush needs a check on his policies. Right now he has none except for what the Democrats throw up. I would just as soon see the senate not in the hands of spinelessrepublicans. Problem is the damage the court is doing right now is longterm and fatal to the republic. So what do I do?? Give Bush both houses of congress when he has clearly demonstrated a lack of interest in constitutional restrictions. Or do I take the senate from him and guarantee the continued affronts from the courts.
 
The only way to deal with the Supreme Court problem is impeachment of one or more Justices. Farfetched? Legally untenable? I don't know, I do know that we can't count on Bush to save America by fighting to the death for a jurist who might reverse the current trend. I also know that we may not have that much time. One or two more critical snafus at SCOTUS and the game is up.
 
... he's given the Dem's just about everything they want.
I think that you think Democrats want something other than what we really want. Because, IMHO, Bush* has done nothing domestically except to pay off his biggest political donors with our tax money.
 
w4rma said;
I think that you think Democrats want something other than what we really want. Because, IMHO, Bush* has done nothing domestically except to pay off his biggest political donors with our tax money.

You mean you guys didn't want the education bill, steel tariffs or prescription drugs? Great :D, now we can tell the national party to get back to it's core beliefs, we can't buy democratic love......

Jeff
 
Clinton was a Drunken Sailor..

He spent all the money on women and booze.. (errr.. he spent all the money on women, Al Gore spent all the money on booze)

Dubaya... I'm mixed.. He's the "devil we know".. vs..:uhoh:
 
Abraham Lincoln was a political animal. Der!!!!!!

Why would anyone run for, and try to keep, the Presidency anyway?
 
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Jonesy9,

Bush would have to spend 1,000 times more money to hold a candle to the real kings of the welfare state. They would be FDR, the high priest, and his right hand man, Lyndon Johnson. Bush to my dismay is pushing for third. By the time the socialists in the Congress get done with it, who knows.
 
not true Russ, let me see if I can dig up a piece I saw that compared Bush to Johnson, it was adjusted for 1960's dollars and Bush was still out welfaring his Texan idol Johnson. I remember the massive farm bill that Bush passed really put him over the top and the piece was written before the huge Medicaid subsidies for the pharma industry. Just wait till the gigantic entitilements in the Energy Bill get passed!

Now I know the producer states on the coasts have to subsidize all the rural welfare states in the middle who can't produce enough tax revenue to run themselves and I have nothing against that or in paying small farmers to rotate crops or what not. But the perception of the red states that they are not welfare queens and that Bush is conservative is baffling.
 
I've never really expected Dubya to be all that conservative. His daddy was eternally a gummint employee; and Dubya grew up under LBJ's Great Society in an atmosphere of governmental solutions to social problems. I'd say he's conservative compared to most national-level Democrats, but ten percent of nuthin' ain't much.

Me, I'm back to my one-issue deal of comparing the relative stances on guns between Bush and any opponent. Period. Aside from that, they're all too liberal to suit me...

:), Art
 
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