Washington State I-594 is Firearm Registration

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  1. JDBoardman

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    "Isn't the 2nd Amendment "written permission"? In what way is this possibly Constitutional.."

    ^ NO! The 2nd Amendment is an affirmation of a right, NOT permission granted by another human.

    This is incorrect on BOTH accounts. We all need, as first principle, to understand that the Constitution is not a guarantor of our rights. Our rights derive from natural law, that is, from the condition of being a living, breathing human being. The United States Constitution, perhaps the most brilliant document ever written, is a series of limits on the actions of the Federal Government. The Constitution, from Article I to the 27th Amendment, restricts what government is allowed to do. We, the people, are not 'allowed' to own weapons, the Federal Government 'shall not infringe', that is, RESTRICT, our naturally existing right to keep and bear arms. We need no one's 'written permission' to exercise these natural rights - we can only surrender these rights, and even in doing so, we merely forego the ability to exercise these rights - the right itself does not cease to exist.

    Now this of course presupposes a moral government, one that lives within its Constitutionally defined limits. This is something we no longer have, so by extension, our government has breached its covenant with its citizens, and we are no longer morally obligated to live within the dictates of the government. Since the government will then resort to enforcing its dictates by force (or threat of force) what we now have is no longer a Republic but Tyranny.
     
  2. Dave Workman

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    Oh, my...where to begin?

    First. thanks to everyone for their interest in the dueling initiatives..

    I-594 is a 15-page gun control measure that would set up a far-reaching state level background check.

    I-591 is a one-page measure that mandates that state background checks comply with a uniform national standard, and it also prohibits government gun confiscations without due process (anybody remember Hurricane Katrina?)

    So, in answer to someone's earlier query: The "uniform national standard" that..as correctly pointed out..exists with the NICS system is the one to which the checks would have to continue complying.

    Now..while it is nice to pontificate about the 2A being the only paperwork someone needs, and "shall not be infringed" means what it says, we all know — regardless whether we "like" it or not — that this is not the reality in any of the 50 states. Before anyone bites my head off as a "traitor" for even suggesting this, I'm not endorsing any of these laws, just saying that they exist and we live with and abide by them, like it or not.

    What I-591 is attempting to do is prevent gun prohibitionists from adding more red tape and bureaucracy to the process in Washington state. The people backing I-594 are well-funded, and Michael Bloomberg hasn't even weighed in yet with any of his millions of $$$$$.

    I've been writing about the dueling initiatives for months on my Examiner.com column, as many here know because they read my stuff regularly. Those who do should share the links now and then so everybody else can keep up.

    I-591 has the backing of the Washington Arms Collectors, Washington State Rifle & Pistol Assn., Hunters Heritage Council, Washington State Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors' Assn., and the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

    I-594 has the backing of a bunch of rich characters in Seattle and along the I-5 corridor, but mainly Seattle. Plus the usual anti-gun suspects.


    I-591 could use all the $upport it can get, and that mean$ contribution$ to the campaign fund. It i$ that $imple. Find out more by clicking here

    Keep your eyes on the Seattle Gun Rights Examiner column. I'll continue covering this battle as it unfolds.
     
  3. stressed

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    Civil war era and before, you could walk right up to that liberal and challenge him to a duel, weather it be with blades, rifles or pistols. In fact it was a common occurrence among senators - republican against Democrat and vice versa.

    He wins, you sign the petition and surrender to registration. You win, the matter is squashed indefinitely.
     
  4. Dave Workman

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    Alas, that may have been another time in another place... perhaps a fantasy place that is Gone With The Wind...

    but the reality is we're here, and we're here now.

    And as I wrote today, Bill Gates has just ponied up with $25K.

    This ain't good. :cuss:
     
  5. savage1r

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    Dave, I just want to say thank you for all the hard work you and your publication have been doing fighting for our rights over on the other side of the state. I hope that the video I produced can help out in some way to raise awareness of washington voters and get that awful piece of legislation voted down.
     
  6. 2bfree

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    Thanks Dave,
    There have been several great summaries in the WAC magazines over the past couple of months.
    %94 is as bad as you could possibly think it would be. (And there is no LEO provision in so they would be just as limited and everyone else!)

    Keep getting the message out and getting the petitions signed.
     
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    I'm confused though, is this going to the voters or directly to the state senate?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2013/10/10/gun-control-initiative-likely-headed-to-washington-state-legislature/

    "Washington allows citizens to file two types of initiatives: One puts a matter directly to a vote of the people, while the other puts an issue before the legislature. If the legislature doesn’t vote to pass the measure, it then goes to the next general election ballot. I-594 is the second type.

    Supporters said they pursued an initiative to the legislature because groundwork had been laid during this year’s legislative session."

    Sounds like we should be calling our reps...
     
  10. 2bfree

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    This is going to the legislature and not the voters. The people of WA won't even get to vote on it. Please call your local reps that is the only thing that is going to help!

    Edited to add:

    I sent this message to my reps and state senator (3 politicians in total):

    Of the 3 that this was sent to (Randi Becker, Gary Alexander, and J.T. Wilcox) the only reply I got back was from Mr. Alexander, who apparently has just retired. Here is the reply:

     
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    The legislature did not pass this last year and at least it had an exclusion for CPL holders and LEO's. If the legislature does not pass it this year, it than goes to a vote of the people.
     
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  13. J_McLeod

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    Thanks for the heads up. I'm in the military, but own a home in WA and am still registered to vote. I'll write the representatives. If something like that passes I'm not coming back.
     
  14. spottedpony

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    My thinking on this, regardless of the state or agency, is that it's a 4th amendment violation, regarding unreasonable search/seizure.
    My reasoning is that a person has to be suspected of something for a legitimate search to occur, and a background check is a search, of sorts. Thus unless there is a justifiable reason for search, its unreasonable, per the 4th.

    Along similar lines, the 5th is supposed to protect us against abuse of government authority. To quote “nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law”.
    So, based on that, a firearm, for example, could not be confiscated without due process, which I take to mean at least a warrant issued by a judge.
     
  15. David4516

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    Well I just received a reply from Mr. Wilcox, here it is:


    I was encouraged by this repsonse. I wrote back:


    Does anyone else from THR plan on showing up in Olympia this weekend?
     
  16. shootingthebreeze

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    http://www.nhregister.com/general-news/20140126/urban-gun-violence-gains-attention-in-washington-greater-new-haven

    If you read this article very carefully you will see a trend in the US with states, counties, cities, villages initiating firearm control measures due to Washington DC inaction.
    Bloomberg, as an example, poured 30 million dollars into 594 (not I 594) so as you can see there is a quilt like firearm control tsunami going on in the US BECAUSE there is inaction at Washington DC.
    My argument is this: the Second Amendment will be in danger IF a national addressing on the issue of firearm control IS NOT DONE. If flexibility on the part of firearm owners is not happening then see more quilt like laws springing up all over the US which will actually damage the Second Amendment more than if a national effort to study firearm control is not done.
    I am a firearm owner and even have a CPL; my take on the subject is different than most here-and I look at the firearm situation in the US a little differently. You already have NY, IL, CA enacting at state level severe restrictions; that type of restriction creep is growing at the STATE level to a point I see in the future that firearm owners will have to have a manual to navigate through state, county city and village firearm laws throughout the US.
    Only because at the national level inaction to address firearm control in a rational way is and will not be done.
    For example, securing firearms is to me a priority for anyone. Accidental shooting deaths of children and stolen guns should not ever happen. It still does. The argument that "responsible gun owners lock their weapons" falls flat when I read about accidental shootings of children as an example. There should be zero incidents.
     
  17. 2bfree

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    The Giffords will be at the state legislature on 1/28 to speak on behalf of 594 and expanded background checks.
     
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    shootingthebreeze,

    I hear what you are saying but you are assuming that their goal is to make people safer. It is not, their real goal is an full ban on guns. They're just slowly moving that direction, one little step at a time. Do you honestly think that if there was a nation wide "safe storage" requirment that the anti-gun folks will stop all their efforts?

    Please check out this comic, I think it very clearly shows why pro-gun folks are so rigid and unwilling to "compromise":

    http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2013/11/08/cake-and-compromise-illustrated-guide-to-gun-control/

    2bfree,

    One thing I've never understood is why do people who live outside the state (Giffords, Blumberg, etc) have so much influance? In my opinion they shouldn't have any voice at the WA state legislature...
     
  19. steelerdude99

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    Readers of "Washington State I-594 is Firearm Registration" thread,
    This shootingthebreeze guy is "singing the same song" on other threads here on THR. Below is a link to a recent thread about New Hampshire proposed UBC law. Like David4516 says and what I would say as well: inching away at freedoms by anti-gun persons will never stop until all guns are outlawed. As such, I can't advocate giving an inch.

    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=741666

    If like the U.K., the U.S. Government manages to achieve a total ban... then gun and non-gun crime skyrockets as crooks will never give up what they have and those who can't find guns will resort to knives and other weapons. Do you think there will be a "mea culpa"? I doubt it too.

    Bottom line... shootingthebreeze may be gun owner, a concealed carry holder and retired military, BUT he (or she perhaps) does not speak for me.

    chuck
     
  20. hartcreek

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    i am in the Yakima area and neither of the petitions seeem to have made it this way. I asked at a couple local gunshops today and just got blank looks.

    Seattle fools have tried to get all kinds of city codes passed in the past. It appears that both iniatives already have enough Seattle signatures. The state attorney general now wonder what ig both of them pass then what as the one page iniative nullifies the other.

    You can find links to the PDF files of each iniatitive and the site listed below.

    http://blogs.seattletimes.com/opinionnw/2014/01/03/poll-gun-control-initiative-washington/
     
  21. metalax

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    Dupes

    It seems no matter how many times these attempts to subvert our constitution
    are voted down the big out of state money keeps coming back. Year after year they change a few words in the bill, drag another poor group of victims harmed by criminals and here we go again. They are like roaches they just don't seem to go away. I don't understand why, other than they are misinformed and being used like pawns to help the tyrannical government disarm American. JMHO
     
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    Sadly, I think the changing face of WA voters is very similar to CO. If this vote goes to the people, I think I-594 passes!
     
  23. col_temp

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    A Lot of that depends on King County the liberal basket case of WA state.
    Also, wouldn't it be interesting to see the results if both 594 and 591 pass. 591 basically invalidates 594!

    The biggest advantage is if this goes to the ballot (Likely).
    Maybe we will finally get the rest of the more conservative parts of the state to actually vote, thus getting rid of more of the crazy Democrats in the various legislative bodies.
     
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    Got my first pro 594 phone call Friday, started out telling me why I should support it, predictably he left a lot out. In the end he asked if I would support them. When I said no he asked why ? When I started to explain it to him he just hung up. It has started, and vote is not till November !
     
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